Are these authentic?

Flinx
Maybe I'm wrong, but you have to consider that there weren't very many sightings of the traditional "disc" type UFO until 1947, or after we tested the Atomic bomb. Yes, I know there have been sightings of discs for thousands of years, but nowhere near the amount seen in the past 60 years.

But then again maybe the "disk" shape is the best/only shape to use in such craft and the Nazi found this out themselves. The fact that later UFO sighting are mostly this shape might confirm the disk shape theory.

[Edited on 23-10-2003 by Britman]

Interesting angle with the "tachyons", however scientific terms are often derived from Greek or Latin words, so that's not inconceivable, that they would have developed the term earlier, but just not put it into usage... Still though, it is unlikely...

The Russian photo is believed to be a mockup and a stage (which is easy to discern from the way it "crashed"...you can tell it was simply tipped, then partially buried...) It is widely believed that the Germans did indeed recover at least one wrecked UFO...hence the later scientist grab by both the US and the USSR... From then, it became a sort of contest between the US and the Soviets to show each other how far they had gone with the knowledge...

Is it any wonder that the most advanced militaries soon emerged as the US and the Soviets? It's because both had access to extraterrestrial tech, and scientists who had studied it. Had they had more time, who knows what Hitler would have had at his disposal... These experimental models (shown in the photos) should give us an idea at least....

Disc UFOs have been sighted well before the 50's...all throughout history in fact, but the mass visitations didn't occur until we dropped the bomb...

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Its my belief that the underlying reason for WWII was what Germany had in its possession. Despite economic factors for the war, had Germany perfected nuclear weapons or fully capable flying saucers of their own, the world would definitely be run by them today. Far too many scientists with extremely new and amazing knowledge came out of Germany. A country that was all but broke after WWI and shouldn't have had much in the realm of money for the revolutions in science they were at the forefront of.

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heelstone

That's an interesting thought. Could the crashed UFO and the knowledge that the Nazi had it be the real reason the USA join the war in Europe!
Also did the USA get most of the tech from the Nazi UFO? Along with the atom bomb it might help explain why a UFO was over Roswell in 1947.

Originally posted by Britman
heelstone

That's an interesting thought. Could the crashed UFO and the knowledge that the Nazi had it be the real reason the USA join the war in Europe!
Also did the USA get most of the tech from the Nazi UFO? Along with the atom bomb it might help explain why a UFO was over Roswell in 1947.

If the story about Secretary of State Cordell Hull's encounter with dead "creature" bodies in large jars and a trashed vehicle at the D.C. capitol is true, then I suggest that the U.S. didn't need to know what Germany had. However, Germany was getting much farther ahead apparently. In any case, I think that most governments of the world knew about UFOs a lot earlier than we believe. IMO at least as early as heavier than air flight was capable, but I'm thinking they've known for even longer. When a country like Germany gets a flying saucer and starts making progress, you're gonna be in for a world of hurt. So the war had to commence.

The problem with Roswell and why people think its the first UFO crash ever is that just like how the government conducts secrecy today, one hand does not know what the other is doing. The people that retrieved that flying saucer had no idea that they had to keep it quiet as they weren't part of the cover up on it. Its my belief that these things crash or are shot down a bit more frequently than assumed. Kind of like how any dangerous animal can kill a human if the human isn't paying attention or being careless. We are that dangerous animal to aliens.

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IMO UFO's are top secret crafts that are not aliens ships or reverse engineered tech but 100% made on earth.

Originally posted by darklanser
Ok. At first I thought these may be authentic, but I've done some research. Arnold Sommerfeld (a Prussian physicist 1868-1951) first proposed a theoretical particle that would facilitate FTL (faster than light travel).It would not be named "tachyon" until 1967 by Gerald Feinberg.
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The diagram (dated 1944 I believe) used a term that would not be coined for at least 23 years.

Correct. Furthermore, the drawings look like they were done by a kid.

ANY military document would have included good (to-scale, draftsman-correct) drawings. Not something scribbled out by whomever (they might have scribbled it out on a field report, but you wouldn't have had any details (like what's inside) on a field report. And there would have been followups.

The Nazis *did* have some unusual prototype saucer-shaped crafts -- a thread on ATS awhile ago had references and links ("Identified flying objects".) But these docs are fake.

Originally posted by DarkSide
IMO UFO's are top secret crafts that are not aliens ships or reverse engineered tech but 100% made on earth.

theirs a hell of a lot of information to back that up. I've seen pictures and video clips showing home made UFOs. 80% of UFOs sightings are top secret craft IMO

20% are atmosphere oddities,lightning (spherical one),weather ballons,meteors,satellites,fakes,satellites,etc

EDIT : IMO

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The begining according to author Lyne in 'Pentagon Aliens":


From the moment that the electro-propulsive saucer's full potential became evident in the
early 1930s, forward to the present, rocket projects have been a cover for the "real thing", and
ironically, this sham was first actualized in 1937, at Los Alamos, New Mexico, based on stolen
Tesla technology, under the tutelage of Wernher von Braun. Hitler had appointed the Prussian
Illuminist as "Herr Doktor Professor of Research" and project leader to run his Vergeltungswaffen
("revenge weapon") center at Peenemunde, before his collaboration with the American rocket
pioneer, Dr. Robert Goddard, at his laboratory in Mescalero, New Mexico, and rocket test site at
Eden Valley, New Mexico.1 Afterward, von Braun would never allow the high priority ("p2",
"KT-p2") 'space travel' project to be too far away from his watchful eye. While collaborating with
Goddard at Mescalero, von Braun ran the Illuminati flying saucer project at Los Alamos called
"p2", between 1936 and 1938!2 He was given a leave of absence by Hitler for this espionage, and
was brought to America by the Smithsonian Institution, the Guggenheim Foundation, and the
American Rocket Society, who financed his work and paid for his trip!


So American investments started it off, developed till the end of WWII,
some went to Roswell NM and others to Antartica (see Operation High Jump
on the web) some are now triangles in UK and Europe.

Note disc of lightning at craft bottom where Tesla flat coil is located.
If you see tube type you will see beam of light at front and back both
downward and upward directed, perpendicular to motion of flight
and perpendicular to radial magnetic field of the pancake coil.

Well see videos at google and youtube.

Still looking for a rare Haunebu picture.

I have seen specials on the history channel about man mad ufo's. They actually got one to fly above the ground,but because of its saucer shape wasn't stable in horizontal flight.Supposedly the project was scrapped. But if they got a saucer shaped craft to hover above the ground by using turbofans in the 50's\60's,think abou what the gov has flying around now with fly by wire technology. I cant' even begin to imagine what we have now.