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Trouble Faces British Terror Raid

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posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 11:17 AM
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Some new light is shed on the British terror raid that took place June 2, 2006. What was thought to be a successful terrorist raid on two brothers planning to do an attack on London may come crashing down. Since the raid no evidence of biological or chemical weapons of any sort have been found, and there has been no connection made to al qaeda as initially claimed. Further more, the brother who was shot is claiming that there was no warning, and he didn't even know the people were police until he was already shot. He said they gave no warning as the rounded the corner as he came down the steps. They were arrested and questioned under the Terrorist Act.
 



euronews.net
Controversy is growing over a high profile raid by British anti-terrorist police on Friday in which a suspect was shot. Some 250 police officers took part in the raid after getting intelligence reports that chemical or biological weapons were being prepared in an East London home.

But no such arms have been found and lawyers for the shot man say he was fired on without warning. A solicitor said: "He was in his pyjamas, obviously unarmed, empty handed. As he came down the stairs, police rounded a corner, came up the stairs and shot him, in the chest, immediately. There was no warning and he wants to stress that no warning was given, contrary to what's been said he wasn't asked to freeze. He wasn't given any warning, he didn't know the people in his house were police officers until after he was shot." The 23 year old man, Mohammed Abdul Kahar, has been treated for a shoulder wound and will now face questioning by police along with his brother Abul Koyair, also arrested in the raid.

Both men deny any involvement with terrorism. The Independent Police Complaints Commission has launched an investigation into the shooting. The actions of the British police are under the spotlight following the shooting dead last summer of an innocent Brazillian man who they mistook for a terrorist.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Well this could be very bad news for the police force if this proves true. Not only can they not find any evidence, but shot the man possibly without warning. Though its not suprising since the Brazillian man was also shot dead, and he turned out to be innocent.

Is this what America is headed toward? It is a very sad day when democratic nations start killing innocent people, even their own citizens, in the name of defense. I do not like where this is heading, and it looks like Britian is just a step ahead of what we are heading toward.

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www.guardian.co.uk

Mod Edit: Fixed Spelling in intro

[edit on 6/4/06 by FredT]

[edit on 6/4/06 by FredT]




posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 11:57 AM
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Well, at this point it's his word against the police's word whether he was warned. What was he doing running out in his pajamas unless he was trying to get away real quick?

And I don't understand the connection between this incident and where America is headed.



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 12:04 PM
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"running out in his Pyjamas"? First I've seen of this.
A bit like the Brazilian running from police and vaulting the tube station turnstiles


It's the middle of the night, you are awoken by load noises do you:

a) Get up, stretch, go have a shower, get dressed and head downstairs to see what the ruckus is before putting on the kettle?
b) Leap outta bed in your jammies and rush out to the stairs to see what is happening?



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 12:10 PM
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"running out in his Pyjamas"? First I've seen of this.

I don't know if this was directed at my reply, but if you read the article...


It's the middle of the night, you are awoken by load noises do you:

a) Get up, stretch, go have a shower, get dressed and head downstairs to see what the ruckus is before putting on the kettle?
b) Leap outta bed in your jammies and rush out to the stairs to see what is happening?

I don't know if it was the middle of the night, or if there were loud noises, but I'd probably open the door and look out, and then close the door and go about my business.



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 12:22 PM
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depends on who you live next door to, we live next door to people that have to be the loudest neighbours on the planet.

for me if i hear noise i just go back to sleep.

of course plenty of you geezers may live next door to quiet people, not everyone has that privilage.

[edit on 4-6-2006 by andy1033]



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 12:32 PM
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I am quite sure if you lived in london and was awoken by the sound of breaking glass in the early hours of the morning you would go check it out.. if you didnt, you never know what may happen to you or your family. I believe there were children on the premises also

Front door

What I would like to know is where the information came from when reported by the media that the brother took/struggled one of the police's guns and shot his brother in the shoulder, as both the police and 'terrorist' family deny it.



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Also i noticed in the ATSNN quote : 'As he came down the stairs, police rounded a corner, came up the stairs and shot him, in the chest' then 'he 23 year old man, Mohammed Abdul Kahar, has been treated for a shoulder wound and will now face questioning by police along with his brother Abul Koyair, also arrested in the raid.'

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posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 12:41 PM
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jsobecky, think about it for a moment.

You're at home, sleeping. It's after mignight [early hours of the morning] and you live in an area, which has been known for the criminal problems. You hear a loud bang - which is the door being knocked off. So you grab anything you can [if you can] and run to find out what is going on. It's basic psychology - the old "Fight or Flight".

He picked to fight and the Police shot him.



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 01:12 PM
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I think its interesting because it was suppose to be a "Terrorist" raid under the Terrorism Act, yet they can find no connection now and cannot find a single shred of proof to bio and chemical weapons. That scares me because lets face it, canada has had "terrorist" raids britian has them, how long before we have one, and an AMERICAN innocent gets killed?

They have no proof of these two brothers being terrorists, yet one got shot in the shoulder. things could have went like the brazilian one and an innocent person may have been killed. This is not the way to protect the people. This is why I am against the pre emptive strikes against terrorists.



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 01:20 PM
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jsobecky -

What IS the matter with you? Why the hell shouldn't he be in his pyjamas IN HIS OWN HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT?

What is it, the police, whether in your country or mine, can do no wrong? Their intel is perfect, and they have every right to go in shooting on the flimsiest of evidence?

FCOL....



posted on Jun, 4 2006 @ 02:05 PM
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its his word against theirs. and judging by the fact they raided his house with no actual evidence says to me his word means just a bit more then theirs.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 06:49 PM
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It now seems that the police were rather over-zealous -



Daily Mail Site

Scotland Yard has admitted it has found no trace of chemicals in the east London house raided in an anti-terror operation last Friday.

Head of Specialist Operations Andy Hayman said they received "specific intelligence" about a chemical device, which led to the anti-terror raid.

"We have not found what we went in there to look for," he admitted.


It seems that the authorities were furnished with somewhat erroneous intelligence. Many people will inevitably be up in arms at the actions of the police, but they can only act upon the information they are provided with and it is inevitable that, when the information provided is not accurate, fingers will be pointed. I would be interested to know how they came by this intelligence, though obviously details like that are not going to be revealed.

A news report on the BBC this evening also suggested that the gentleman shot was injured accidentally as a result of the firearms officer wearing thick rubber gloves which restricted the sensitivity of his finger on the trigger.

I suspect the police are, again, in for a rough ride in the days and weeks ahead as a result of these events.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 07:19 PM
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OOOOPS! SHOTT 'IMMM!

Oh dear. This war on terror. It'll all end in tears, I tell you.

At least the guy wasn't shot and killed like DeMenzies. Thank God.

It's really not looking good for the police, this one.

"You shot a man in his pajamas, officer?" "I had reason to believe his hot-water bottle contained a deadly chemical that could have demolished the entire terrace, sir."

Sorry... it's been a long day.



posted on Jun, 5 2006 @ 07:43 PM
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"You shot a man in his pajamas, officer?" "I had reason to believe his hot-water bottle contained a deadly chemical that could have demolished the entire terrace, sir."

Sorry... it's been a long day.


I couldn't stop laughing. I really, literally fell out of My chair on this one.




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