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posted on Jun, 3 2006 @ 09:08 PM
So what is Logical fallacy?

Logical fallacy properly refers to a formal fallacy: a flaw in the structure of a deductive argument which renders the argument invalid.

This fallacy comes in many forms

Ad Hominem

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact.

Appeal to Authority

This fallacy is committed when the person in question is not a legitimate authority on the subject.

Appeal to Belief

This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the fact that many people believe a claim does not, in general, serve as evidence that the claim is true.

Appeal to Common Practice

It is a fallacy because the mere fact that most people do something does not make it correct, moral, justified, or reasonable.

Appeal to Consequences of a Belief

The nature of the fallacy is especially clear in the case of Wishful thinking. Obviously, merely wishing that something is true does not make it true.

Appeal to Emotion

This fallacy is committed when someone manipulates peoples' emotions in order to get them to accept a claim as being true. More formally, this sort of "reasoning" involves the substitution of various means of producing strong emotions in place of evidence for a claim.

Appeal to Fear

This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because creating fear in people does not constitute evidence for a claim.

Appeal to Flattery

The basic idea behind this fallacy is that flattery is presented in the place of evidence for accepting a claim. this sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because flattery is not, in fact, evidence for a claim.

Appeal to Novelty

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because the novelty or newness of something does not automatically make it correct or better than something older.

Appeal to Pity

An Appeal to Pity is a fallacy in which a person substitutes a claim intended to create pity for evidence in an argument. This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because pity does not serve as evidence for a claim.

Appeal to Spite

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because a feeling of spite does not count as evidence for or against a claim.


This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because peer pressure and threat of rejection do not constitute evidence for rejecting a claim.

Begging the Question

Begging the Question is a fallacy in which the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true or (directly or indirectly) assume that the conclusion is true.

Burden of Proof

Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. In many situations, one side has the burden of proof resting on it. This side is obligated to provide evidence for its position. The claim of the other side, the one that does not bear the burden of proof, is assumed to be true unless proven otherwise

Guilt By Association

Guilt by Association is a fallacy in which a person rejects a claim simply because it is pointed out that people they dislikes accept the claim.

Personal Attack

A personal attack is committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person's claim or claims. This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and not the claim itself.

Special Pleading

The person committing Special Pleading is claiming that he is exempt from certain principles or standards yet he provides no good reason for his exemption.

Straw Man

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

Who needs logic?

posted on Jun, 3 2006 @ 09:29 PM
This isn't a 9/11 topic.

But having said that, it's good that people become familiar with these, so that they can recognize them in threads. People use them all the time.

This site lists a good number of logic fallacies:

posted on Jun, 3 2006 @ 09:42 PM
Hey bsbray11, you're still here, please do and make sure you visit my new website when it is up and running( sorry still not sure what to call it yet , maybe you could help out).

We are just a bunch of offshore engineering getting lists like this together.

So what do they believe?

1. It is all a conspiracy
2. Everybody who says not is lying
3. They are liberating the masses from oppression
4. TheUS is turning into a Nazi type , fascist state
5. It was all stage acted
6. It is a show purely for their benefit
7. They saw it all.
8. They know it all
9. They are demolition experts
10. They are building experts
11. They are civil engineering experts
12. They are structural engineering experts
13. They understand fires
14. They understand how metal reacts to fires
15. They are seasoned researchers
16. They know more than anybody else regarding the above
17. They are flight engineering experts
18. They are qualified pilots
19. They are more qualified than anybody who maybe
20. All the evidence is there, but only they spotted it.
21. It is their duty to inform the less informed
22. NIST are lying
23. FEMA are lying
24. The FBI are lying
25. The CIA are lying.
26. NASA are lying
27. NORAD are lying
28. NEADS are lying
29. FAA are lying
30. The aircraft crash investigators are lying
31. The 9/11 commission are lying
32. The eyewitnesses are lying
33. The NY firemen are lying
34. The NY policemen are lying
35. The NY authorities are lying
36. The American Institute of Civil Engineers are lying
37. The Society of Fire Protection Engineers are lying
38. The AmericanInstituteofSteel Constructionare lying
39. The Structural Engineers Association of New York are lying
40. The Port Authority of NY are lying.
41. The Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management of NY are lying
42. The New York City Department of Design and Construction are lying.
43. The Fire Department of New York are lying
44. Bush is lying.
45. Chenney is lying
46. Rumsfild is lying.
47. Rice is lying
48. Infact the entire US Goverment is lying
49. Siverstein is lying
50. All the Institutes of civil engineering from across the planet are lying
51. All the Institutes of structural engineering are lying
52. All the Institutes of fire/Safty engineers are lying
53. All the Institutes of demolition engineers are lying
54. Larry Mitchell is lying
55. John Ashcroft is lying
56. Ahmad Umar Sheikh, who funded the hijackers is lying
57. General Mahmoud Ahmad who ordered him to do so is lying
58. Rudolph Giuliani is lying
59. Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed is lying
60. Ramzi Bin Al-Sheeba is lying
61. Yosri Fouda is lying , as he interviewed the two above who planned it
62. Bin laden is lying.
63. Bin Laden is telling the truth
64. Bin laden is maybe telling the truth or lying which ever parts they believe
65. The main stream media is lying.
66. All the people who did the insider trading prior to 9/11 are lying
67. All the people who didn't turn up to work because they were forwarned are lying
68. Moussaoui is innocent
69. Moussaoui is just an armless loonie who wouldn't hurt anybody.
70. Popular Mechanics are lying
71. All the people who planted the explosives are keeping quiet.
72. All the people who detonated the explosives are keeping quiet
73. All the people who planted evidence are keeping quiet.
74. All the people who removed evidence are keeping quiet.
75. All the people who actually killed the passengers are keeping quiet
76. All the people who reseached the Towers to find where best to place the explosives are keeping quiet
77. All the people who produced the fake Bin Laden tapes are keeping quiet
78. Al Quada is make believe
79. The 19 hijackers are infact still alive
80. Actors played their parts
81. The desperate phone calls from the flights were faked
82. The Voice recording from flight 93 was tapered with
83. Flight 77 landed somewhere else, but did not crash into the Pentagon
84. Flight 93 was shot down despite the fact the military was not made aware of this flight until 10 minutes after it had crashed
85. Flight 93 landed somewhere alse, maybe Cleverland
86. Many of the “alleged” victims from the flights are still alive.
87. Northwood proves the conspiracy, even though it was made public years ago.
88. Universal Studios are now part of the conspiracy
89. " United 93" the movie is a pack of lies
90. All the reseachers for this movie got it wrong
91. The cast, some of whom were the actual people involved are lying
92. All the people depicted in this movie are lying.

As you see its nowhere near complete maybe,you could help us out?

[edit on 3-6-2006 by Stateofgrace]

posted on Jun, 3 2006 @ 10:03 PM
nice list, but....will not this kind of lists can go on for ever if you wish?
it's kind of a endless work!

posted on Jun, 3 2006 @ 10:11 PM
How about

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If you need help, I already have an account. I could register it for you NOW, and make the "push" when you're ready to launch.

Let me know either way!

BEST regards!

posted on Jun, 3 2006 @ 11:16 PM
Stateofgrace, if that's your problem, then your problem is with incredulity of what's happening rather than facts.

But even here you're obviously not being fair, as I don't think anyone here is or ever has seriously suggested that the cast of the Flight 93 movie was in on it.

There was and is an ongoing cover-up involving heads of agencies and corporate entities, yes, but asserting that we believe half of that b.s. is called a straw man attack. Maybe you should read up on your own thread.

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