more so than not SATAN is impersonating men...

we have a planet full of people and most of them are agents for the beelzebub acting on his behalf and inciting more chaos, i urge you not to be entranced by this entity as he can attract you with possessions which have no real value, life and all of the creations of the father has the real value...

please use discretion at your work places, homes, and churches as he obviously has infiltrated many infrastructures...

let the one and only father of all creation guide you on your journeys and dont be afraid to question weather or not information given to you is in the intent of decieving even more beings(be in god)...

he want to make you all believe that you are not divine and that the only way to reach the Great Father is through him, this is not true...

love is a necessary gift in these times, and love your fellow man yet realize that all are not as they seem...

heed these words if one be wise, and the fool as well...

Alternatively, riot, burn everything and dance naked around the flames.

Originally posted by bigsage
we have a planet full of people and most of them are agents for the beelzebub acting on his behalf and inciting more chaos, i urge you not to be entranced by this entity as he can attract you with possessions which have no real value, life and all of the creations of the father has the real value...

please use discretion at your work places, homes, and churches as he obviously has infiltrated many infrastructures...

let the one and only father of all creation guide you on your journeys and dont be afraid to question weather or not information given to you is in the intent of decieving even more beings(be in god)...

he want to make you all believe that you are not divine and that the only way to reach the Great Father is through him, this is not true...

love is a necessary gift in these times, and love your fellow man yet realize that all are not as they seem...

heed these words if one be wise, and the fool as well...

How do you know he doesn't impersonate women? That might explain why some mothers go wacko and drown their kids in bathtubs.

This has always been the way of Satan since he impersonated the snake in Eden. This snake was probably Lilit, Adam's first wife who he left since she wasn't like him, and rather married Eve who God created from his own DNA to be his life companion. Satan can impersonate any entity on this planet and elsewhere in order to get you to sin against the Law of God. Keep it simple and study the Law for yourself in order to know who he is when he shows up. Lament and atone when you find your sins, and try to repent fully from them in order to regain your rightiousness.

Don't fall for his beauty and drama. He directs you to the Truth, but he sow seeds of falseness so you can help him in darkening the Light (which is the Truth). Remember how he told Eve the truth about the Tree of Wisdom, but added a lie deliberately in order to fool Eve into braking God's commandments and step into his place as god of humankind and the world. He has been highly successful in his mission. He has managed to dress up Ba'al like Jesus. He has simply replaced the names of the Ba'als with Romanised Christian names. The names of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all Hebrew names (but not any Hebrew name. Learn their meanings and their etymology). All socalled Christian names are compatible with ten times the geometry in the Greek name of Jesus who's geometry is 888 (8880). I find this abit peculiar, don't you? The Hebrew geometry of the original name of Jesus (Yeshuah/Yah Shuah) is not 888 as far as I know, and I doubt it has to do with geometry at all, but true meaning. Greece has a great part in the Beast. I'm only now starting to look into this, so await info on this in the near future. When Saul (Sha'ul, the name of the first king of Israel. Sha'ul is very similar to the Hebrew word for Hades, She'ol, often wrongly translated Hell in English bibles) was baptised he was given the Roman family name Paul which means "small" or "humble" in Latin. I have reasons to believe that Saul/Paul was one of the first Cointelpro agents in recorded history (this is ofcourse figurativelly speeking).

But eventhough he has managed to make Ba'alism look like something good and true, it's still Ba'alism, all his festivals and ways are kept in place, they have only been dressed in sheep cloathing. Catholicism and her daughters minister this Ba'alism as a perverted form of Judaism. But the trained eye has no problems seeing this. Easter and Christmas are ancient pagan festivals (in Norway Christmas is called Jul for instance, refering to the cycle of the Sun, though Passover is called "P�ske" which is the correct word, but the contents has been changed from Jewish Passover to Ba'alist Easter), and Sunday worship is the way of the Roman Ba'al, Sol Invictus, the Sun god who the early Catholic clergy meant was Jesus in disguice. The symbols of Sun worship has many things in common with the symbols of the Gospel. Cross, reincarnation (as opposed to ressurection), light, the Sun, morning star etc. One of their most important symbols throughout the ages is a dead god on a cross. Jesus isn't about death, but life, so stop keeping your idol of Jesus on the cross around your neck. It's a dead old sin. God is a God for the living, not for the dead.

But our weakness is our strength, remember that. Since Satan has infiltrated the Kingdom, we have also infiltrated Satan. He thinks he has us in his claws, but it will become obvious soon that it's the other way around (and I'm not speeking of the late symbol of Dan and the Roman Empire with the Eagle with a snake in his claws. Dan's prince in Heaven is Satan, so is the prince of the Empires). We can simply document his movements and deceit, which will eventually lead to his conviction and judgement. The two witnesses shall witness everything, and monitor the judgement of the wicked. They will be killed by the Beast, probably in Rome, but it could be any city of the world, but they will be falsely accused of Ba'alism just like Jesus was. Jakin ("He will establish") and Boaz ("fleetness") are their spiritual names. May God bless them eternally and give peace to their troubled hearts and strength to their broken spirits. Because of them, the beasts and their children will be judged and Satan will be imprisoned. The childen of God will have peace and Yeshuah will reign in the Father's place for 1000 years. May God guard them in the shadow of his wings so Jesus can have his Victory and the Plan of God can be fulfilled.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Good lord! Who exactly are you talking to? Darkness and evil has been with(in) us since the beginning. What I'm more curious about is how and why you've come to this conclusion. It makes little sense to me to post something of this nature and not share why you feel this way, personally. Does it not? I mean, is your boss the Devil? If so, then what makes you so sure? I'm not being silly, I'm really interested to know the answers to these questions..

If one is going to present themselves as *all knowing* one better have a damn good reason to back it up
Mags

I think Sage is suggesting that we all be wary of each other? No?

If you know then you know, why is everyone so uptight about evidence? What is evidence anyways?

Is not our narrowmindedness not our own negative evidence?

What is true is that which makes sense in the minds of many for the universe is within the mind and everything else is suspect or even illusion.

"evil within us?"

Okay. I'll bite. What great evil have you done today? I'm drinking coffee, and that's about the sum of my sins.

My spouse is currently indulging in the same sin. I think that was about the sum of our sins yesterday -- I spent several hours last night counseling people about various issues, including one going through a painful divorce.

I begin to wonder if people REALLY know what "evil" is.

For my money, something evil is anything that encourages people to submit to abuse and torture and mental cruelty. Evil is those who harm others with malicious intent.

Evil is NOT 'failing to worship the Approved Diety of MY choice.'

Evil is NOT 'being born to a certain species.'

Evil is NOT 'being a sexual creature.' (though there is much that I disagree with -- I don't particularly care to have sexual images spammed on me day in and day out.)

Evil is NOT 'failing to make peace and consort with people who are unkind to you.'

Evil is NOT 'dressing in black and talking tough and having a Kewl Name and going punky-gothy.'

Fact is, most folks aren't very evil at all. We harm others unintentionally, we gossip (which is a bad habit). we do a thousand silly and dumb little things. But "evil?"

To paraphrase Shakespeare, "Evil should be made of sterner stuff."

Just flat out tell me if you feel I'm narrow minded..don't beataround the bush and refer to me as though you are talking to all..

I can take it

My point is, is that there is a HUGE difference between being cautious and being paranoid. If you are thinking those around you might be the Devil himself, well I think that falls in the paranoid catagory. Of course I'm leary..but what is living without trust?? That isn't living, that is sacrificing your time here on earth IMO.

Also I must add for understanding of my thoughts here, that most cases where people get to this point where they feel they can trust NOONE, usually leads to people locking themselves inside their homes..and that just isn't good.
Mags

And I see nothing wrong with asking for evidence, he can answer or not, there are no stupid questions except those unasked~

magestica,

first of all I can only guess at Sage's reference regarding evil.

secondly you of most people around here are not closeminded but you must surely recognize the 'knee jerk' reaction we have all had bred into us.

Show me proof and then I will believe you.

Tell me this, if your child or any child for that matter came running to you to tell you a story of abuse by an adult would you need all kinds of proof?

You would need some true but proof is not how you make up your mind whether to believe or not.

Educational institutions and courts rely on proof but the rest of us less so.

Originally posted by Byrd
"evil within us?"

Okay. I'll bite. What great evil have you done today? I'm drinking coffee, and that's about the sum of my sins.

Since when was coffee not concidered kosher? I'll say your sin today wasn't drinking coffee, which is not a sin atall, hey it's even healthy to some extent, your sin was rather pride and lying, since you claimed your only sin was something that is not a sin and that this should be your only sin which became a sin in itself. I have an advice to you and I speek from experience: Never say never about what you might do or what you have done or what you do. Satan just loves it when he hears the word "never". It's great fun for him to make you a fool by making you do just that which you said you'd never do.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Mikro,

good point.

we do not know ourselves until we are tested.

that is why we must always respect those older and wiser than ourselves for they truly know about this.

With all due respect to the content of the original post/poster which clearly states (more so than not SATAN is impersonating men...) What does that really mean to you? I'm only saying how I feel about the actual post. And this it's just ridiculious! For one, men might impersonate Satan at times, but I don't really understand it the other way around. And again we are ALL sinners, we all have darkness inside us, whether we portray it outwardly or not. Can you argue this? Anyone??

We just have to do the best we can as 'humans' in a world covered with darkness and light. We can't go around thinking everyone is Satan though. Because there are times imo, where Satan walks through all of us.

I was not asking for proof, I know there is really no way he can provide actual proof, I was simply asking him to validate *his* post with more thoughts which lead him to feel the way he feels. I am interested to know, that's all.

bigsage

In a word, from your standpoint, are the neo-cons who infiltrated the Whitehouse following the result of the 2000 Election (with their PNAC agenda in tow) on the side of beelzebub?

I am just interested in your personal categorization of these well known "gentlemen".

[Edited on 19-10-2003 by MaskedAvatar]

Do represent evil.
It humourous to see how men like this occupy positions which are coveted by many others just waiting to do the same.
The world has been turned upside down.

Magestica: If you look around you, do you see much good? If you do you live in the wrong part of town. I'm not speeking about people running around killing eachother, but I'm looking at greed, "fullness of bread" and the general unrightiousness that has possessed this world and during the last couple of decades has escalated into braking the barrier of Heaven. more than 30,000 children (!) dies of hunger every day while the American government puts the whole world in stasis because some people coming from the areas where this kind of problems are common, kills 3000 of the people directly responsible for their missery. On 9/11 2001 there died 30,000 children of hunger and 3000 of the bankers directly responsible for these childrens' misfortune. Think about that and reconcider your statement that it is wrong to see wickedness everywhere around us. We live in the darkest �ra of recorded history, but for us living in the West it's like sleeping in a bed of roses. I'll say like one of the posters in this forum: Ignorance is bliss!

Blessings,
Mikromarius

We all have it within us to act in an "evil" fashion, but I don't believe people are "Satan" incarnate or "evil. In order to be "evil" you must have NO, as in zero, zilch, nada, capacity to love anything, including oneself, on any level. Satan/evil is the absence of love in any form. Just as the Saviour/love is the absence of evil in any form.
In order for us to know what love is, we have to know what evil is, and vice-versa. God the Creator or however He is known to all of the different religions in the world, contains both good and evil. If God is infinite, the Beginning of all things, then everything that exists, including Satan, MUST be a part of God. If someone would care to explain how an infinite Deity can contain EVERYTHING BUT evil, I'd like to hear it.

I never once insisted or stated that I live in this wonderful world or town full of nothing but goodness and light and fairies and unicorns. Do you honestly think I feel that way? Have you EVER read any of my posts here besides this one in particular? I'm not blind or ignorant to the world around me/us.

I have repeatedly restated my point now several times in this thread DAMNIT! But it's as if some of you just glance over what I'm trying to say and decide your own conclusion of my point.

I'm simply asking *bigsage* HOW he came to the conclusion that Satan is impersonating men. I sincerely would like to know, I'm genuinely interested, I want to hear in his words how he came to write the original post. What made him feel the way he does.

I know there is evil all around me, and if I consume myself within it or blind myself to it, then the devil wins. I do neither.. I'm aware, I remain aware and I do all that I personally can to better situations or people in my circle or those I come in contact with each day of my life. Is that not enough?? I've spent my entire life in a position of sacrificing myself for others, mostly strangers. Is that not enough??

You cannot go around and consistantly think everyone is evil and everything is wrong and horrible in the world etc etc..If that is the case, then why procreate? Would that not just make one seem just as selfish and evil as those they see in this manner all around them in the world?

If you want to think I'm ignorant because I'm not boohooing for the world 24/7 or accussing our leaders of being the AntiChrist, then go right ahead..But I can assure you when the AntiChrist comes there will be little debate about who he is.
Magestica

*edit* I apologize, I spelled you name wrong*

[Edited on 10/19/03 by magestica]

magestica, I understand your frustration, and would also like to know the reasons for bigsage's conclusion. If there is one.

I agree wtih Mags.

Evil is within us, satan is not impersonating Men/Women, but the other way around.

I think its sad to see people blame the worlds problems simply on "Satan",
Satan made the events of 9/11 arrive,
Satan kills and tortures innocents in 3rd world countrys daily,
Etc....
If not Satan, Then God.

God is simply a state of Nirvana, our Finite minds cannot begin to comprehend his infinite power,
Satan is simply a state in which Nirvana fails, the five cardinal vices, Kam (lust), Krodh (anger), Lobh (greed), Moh (worldly attachment) and Ahankar (pride).

These are the 5 devils of this world, Kill these and only then shall one reach true salvation.
Deep

Magestica: I think the whole thing is based on a misunderstanding of Bisage's original post. He probably used the world impersonating instead of possessing. This has been his way since the start. Jesus cast out seven evil spirits from the disciple he loved more than the other, and when Satan tried to stop Jesus from washing Peter's feet, he cast him out of Peter. But he had to suffer the consequence: the incident with the rooster. Compare Peter's denial with the feetwashing. Perhaps you learn more about how evil generates evil. There is a pattern here....

Originally posted by magestica
If you want to think I'm ignorant because I'm not boohooing for the world 24/7 or accussing our leaders of being the AntiChrist, then go right ahead..But I can assure you when the AntiChrist comes there will be little debate about who he is.

AntiChrist has been around for nearly 2000 years, but still the debate is going on. Mostly because people don't know what the hell the Bible is actually talking about. People always tends to think prophecies are future. Even way after they have been fulfilled. Did you know that most of the prophecies in the Bible are already fulfilled. And several others as we speek. Wake up. I'll say like the prophet: Hear, you deaf! And look, you blind, that you may see. Who is blind but My servant, Or so deaf as My messenger whom I send? Who is so blind as he that is at peace with Me, Or so blind as the servant of YHWH? You have seen many things, but you do not observe them; Your ears are open, but none hears.

Blessings,
Mikromarius