House bill for compulsory military service This

Here it is, folks. It hasn't been passed yet, but it probably will one day in the very near future.

This hangs like the sword of Damocles over the heads of all our children. - Michael Rivero, Whatreallyhappened.com

108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 163



To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

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I was reading this earlier today as well. Although it does raise the eyebrows I don't think it will happen as soon as people may think.

Yeah you laugh till your mother#in ass gets drafted
While you're at band camp thinkin the crap can't happen
'Til you # around, get an anthrax napkin
Inside a package wrapped in Saran Wrap wrappin
Open the plastic and then you stand back gaspin
#in assassins, hijackin Amtraks, crashin
All this terror, America demands action
Next thing you know, you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin
to join the Army or what you'll do for their Navy
You just a baby, gettin recruited at eighteen
You're on a plane now, eatin their food and their baked beans
I'm twenty-eight, they gon
take you 'fore they take me
Crazy insane, or insane crazy?
When I say Hussein, you say Shady
My views ain't changed, still inhumane, wait
Arraigned two days late, the date's today, hang me!


[Edited on 17-10-2003 by Colonel]

Originally posted by Curiousone
I was reading this earlier today as well. Although it does raise the eyebrows I don't think it will happen as soon as people may think.

We are much closer than we are aware.
Rangel sponsored the legislation in the lead-up to the Iraq war. It was a shot across the bow. You wanna send our poor and minorities to be cannon fodder for your oil war, then you're gonna send your own kids, too.

They are dipping into the Individual Ready Reserve. This story has been completely blacked-out, folks. From when I joined the Army in '89 until the present, this was unheard of.

Also, my brother's Guard unit is at the top of the batting order for cannon fodder duty, forget the fact that their unit has NOTHING to do with current operations. They are desperate for troops.

No way this will ever pass. If it did, every American would be up in arms calling for the end of this bill. Anyone who would vote for this bill has wishes of a extremely short political career IMO.


Has this Bill been sent out of Committee back to the floor yet?"No it hasnt, but it is in the armed services committee as we speak. I cant imagine this being sent back to the floor.

1. Neil Abercrombie (D - HI)
   
2. Jim McDermott (D - WA)
   
3. Pete Stark (D - CA)
   
4. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.)
   
5. John Lewis (D - GA)
   
6. John Conyers (Democrat-Michigan)
   

These guys should all be voted out of office for this particular bill. I am surprised it is backed by some high power democrats.


[Edited on 18-10-2003 by Dreamz]

The President could pas it somehow...i'm sure ;P

Anyways....The US couldn't afford it ;P

Originally posted by DaRAGE
The President could pas it somehow...i'm sure ;P



Anyways....The US couldn't afford it ;P

America has a system called Checks and Balances were no part of the government has to much power over the other. You blame Bush, but these are 6 Democrats who are proposing the Bill.

The bill has to be sent to a Committee from the Speaker of the house, the committee must discuss it and decide wether it should be sent back to the floor, were it is then sent to the Rules committee that must schedule it to be on their agenda(which if it is not, then it gets dropped), if it is accepted by them, it needs a majority vote of 435 represenatives in the House.

Then it must be passed on to the Senate were they can filibuster it. But if they choose not to do that they need to have 51 votes on the bill and must have it read exact WORD FOR WORD without any changes made(otherwise it starts all over) before it is then sent to the president.

If he signs the Bill to become Law then the courts can order it unconstitutional at any time. So no the President can't figure out a way to get it done. And if a president could figure out a way, I can promise you it wont be a rebuplican president.

That will be 150.00 dollars for the political lesson.

Originally posted by DaRAGE
Anyways....The US couldn't afford it ;P

Sure they can...After all, there's been over 2 million people put out of work since Bush assumed Office (The highest figure in US history for any single Administration!). That's a *lot* of people that'll be desperate enough to *volunteer* for the "below poverty-level" military paycheck, even though Bush has already reduced the benefits & medical care for military personnel.

Are you beginning to see how all of these little "bits-n-pieces" tie into a single major planned conspiracy to reduce the US (& as much of the world as possible) into ruin?


[Edited on 18-10-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]

What asmazes me is that I've seen so many members here advocating blowing up other countries and the like (Kill 'em all!) around the time of the Iraqi War and now when your government wants YOU to do it, its like, "Hey, hey, hey! Let's not get too hasty here!"

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer

Originally posted by DaRAGE
Anyways....The US couldn't afford it ;P

Sure they can...After all, there's been over 2 million people put out of work since Bush assumed Office (The highest figure in US history for any single Administration!). That's a *lot* of people that'll be desperate enough to *volunteer* for the "below poverty-level" military paycheck, even though Bush has already reduced the benefits & medical care for military personnel.

Are you beginning to see how all of these little "bits-n-pieces" tie into a single major planned conspiracy to reduce the US (& as much of the world as possible) into ruin?

[Edited on 18-10-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]

No I dont, please enlighten me.
Seriously, read the post above yours that I wrote.

If you would of read that then you would know that the Bill was proposed by Democrats, NOT BUSH. The economy has absolutely nothing to do with this Bill.

So yes, please explain how these bits and pcs link together.

and thats real talk and why i have been keeping my mouth on the issue pretty tight lipped...
but the amount of info is > than the disinfo that can be put into the minds right now, there is a great chance in these interesting times...

Originally posted by Colonel
What asmazes me is that I've seen so many members here advocating blowing up other countries and the like (Kill 'em all!) around the time of the Iraqi War and now when your government wants YOU to do it, its like, "Hey, hey, hey! Let's not get too hasty here!"

I wasnt here before the war started so I cant say much about other members. But myself was for the war in Iraq and am even for furthur military action in other countries if needed. I would gladly volunteer for the military, in matter of fact if I wasnt a single father I would be more than happy to join.

The fact of the matter is this Bill forces Americans to join a armed force. Americans DO NOT like being told that they have to do anything.

The general idea that all Americans should have to serve in the military is not going to cut it. To many people in America are anti-american as it is. This would have a HUGE public resentment factor against the government.

On the other hand, it would be a good way to see who really understands or believes in the freedoms that America has given them.

I think its a moot point though as I highly doubt it will ever happen.

Originally posted by Dreamz

But myself was for the war in Iraq and am even for furthur military action in other countries if needed.

The fact of the matter is this Bill forces Americans to join a armed force. Americans DO NOT like being told that they have to do anything.

If Americans in general are against being forced into doing something, why force our military on other countries to impose our will as you have suggested. Is that right? Is that just?


No.

and that would resolve all these individuals playing like they are against any heat when its in their kitchen...

Originally posted by Colonel

Originally posted by Dreamz

But myself was for the war in Iraq and am even for furthur military action in other countries if needed.

The fact of the matter is this Bill forces Americans to join a armed force. Americans DO NOT like being told that they have to do anything.

If Americans in general are against being forced into doing something, why force our military on other countries to impose our will as you have suggested. Is that right? Is that just?


No.

Ok 1st off the military is VOLUNTARY, they all know of the risks that could possibly happen. Thats is right, because they know their job. To protect American National Security here and abroad.

Forcing people who never volunteer their services into the military is a whole differant topic in itself.

Originally posted by bigsage
and that would resolve all these individuals playing like they are against any heat when its in their kitchen...

You do realize that the topic about the Bill discussed was proposed by DEMOCRATS. Bush has nothing to do with this bill. Its funny how you spin a post about a bill that was introduced by democrats into attacking the president. (Not saying the pres. doesnt deserve the criticism)



[Edited on 18-10-2003 by Dreamz]

i have a third eye that sees what most people dont...
yet dont scuddle around the issue...
it was introduced to even the disproportionate ratio of soldiers being that most republicans and those well off do not see battle but from their livingrooms...
if there was a conscious choice made to go to war over oil then the persons fighting the battle should be those who benefit from its results, ie cheneys kids, and bushes daughters...
but in the end war does not solve anything so your method of entanglement will not work sorry...

Originally posted by bigsage
i have a third eye that sees what most people dont...
yet dont scuddle around the issue...
it was introduced to even the disproportionate ratio of soldiers being that most republicans and those well off do not see battle but from their livingrooms...
if there was a conscious choice made to go to war over oil then the persons fighting the battle should be those who benefit from its results, ie cheneys kids, and bushes daughters...
but in the end war does not solve anything so your method of entanglement will not work sorry...

Method of entanglement???

Look, I am not here to stand up for Bush or Cheney. I simply am responding to the POST. But if you want to get into a political debate over reasons of war and how Bush's and Cheney's children should be fighting then fine.

Look men and women of the armed services VOLUNTEER!!! They know the risks of joining. The fact that moral is down because they are stuck in a foreign country, away from their families and homes is a absolutely MOOT point. Any person with any sense of morals would rather be at home than fighting a war in a foreign nation.

The fact is that the Iraq war benefits everyone in America. It takes a dictator out of office, a chance to set up a a democracy in a otherwise Dictorial region, gives us another ally in a region we are hard pressed for allies. It also gives us a chance to depend less on Saudi Oil in the future and to stop playing games with them as well. It free'd millions of Iraqi's in a otherwise life of terror.

We may not of HAD to of gone over their but you should be proud of the men/women over their because they do risk their lives voluntarily.

The other option, we could wonder.....Like we do with terrorism, when Saddam will gain Nuclear weapons?When will he hand WMD to terrorists? When he lets his son's take over, will they be worse??? That would of been another generation of Husseins in charge of Iraq, and I for am am damn glad they are gone. Imagine the weapons they could gain in the lifetime of Uday??

Look the fact of the matter is we spread democracy to Iraq, which is never a easy thing to do. Germany had terrorist bombings 7 years past the day Hitler was gone. It doesnt happen overnight, nothing difficult does. If war and fixing a country were easy then everyone would try doing it.


Since you say war wont solve anything or doesnt affect you. Think about this scenario....

Saddam gives a vile of WMD to a terrorist, they bring it to your city and let it into the air. Your children die, your friends die and many others. But Bush let the war go, but your children died. I guess it wouldnt of solved anything if we wouldve went to war right?

Sometimes taking a chance is better than not knowing.


Look Congress gave Bush the Power to do whatever means needed to Iraq. This included a majority of Democrats. Just because the U.N. didnt agree with us doesnt mean #. America has their own soviernty and DOES NOT need U.N approval for jack #.