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posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 05:50 PM
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The problem is that Mayor Miller already asked Ontario for crime money, and they put it twoards those desperately needed, yet rather ineffective social programs. Didn't you see the minister on the news the other night?

www.canadafreepress.com...

Miller budgets horribly. To be frank, the liberal ethic says to throw money into convincing at-risk youth to take a job at Burger King over making a week's wage a night slinging rock. It's so bad, the gang problem is spreading to Hamilton.

torontosun.com...

As for other juridictions being called in...well, OPP is in over their heads, and they already have enough trouble on the roads. The RCMP is already overstretched, because Canada's Asshole, Manitoba and tons of other small towns opt to have mounties instead of locals. Also, we USED to have a bunker-style building downtown that was filled with Mounties. Now, they're no longer here. Now, we hug thugs instead of trying to stop them.

www.canadafreepress.com...

DSQ, I live out in the burbs where the problem is starting to crawl out. Cokeville, as it is called, is rapidly going downhill. Now, I'm wondering hwo long it'll take before we get more officers, much less the Downtown Core.

DE




posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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No I usually do not watch the Canadian News...

Usually it is Fox when I have the time.



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 06:00 PM
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The statement was directed more at DSQ, mate, but I provided links for your benefit. Also something to note, toronto is getting SEVRE drug problems. Meth is crawling in sideways, compounding issues.

DE



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 06:12 PM
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Yea I just had to do a PPT for some groups here on Meth.

Nasty thing is there requires no smuggling, all the ingredients are easily obtained.

Did you know that as of 2005, Meth is the number one killer of Mobile Homes?
Just passed Tornadoes and Hurricanes combined. The expolsions are spectacular



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 06:28 PM
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The big drugs out here are still weed and E, but having meth in a urban setting is horrible. Look at the stats out of Washington State. 60% of violent crime and 85% of property crime are commited by meth addicts.

DE



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by police_officer339
I always believed you believed what you posted I'm just hesitant about links.
Part of what I do is Computer Forensics, so to say I am paraniod about the net is putting it mildly.



Well, in that case I guess I can understand your hesistance. I'm sure you do a lot of phishing on kiddie porn sites. It's horrible.

Btw, I just wanted to thank you for what you do. It's not every day I meet a police officer which reminds me that they're not all bad. I appreciate what you do for us (or not specificly me, but just america in general). And it's even better that you're taking/teaching classes on constitutional law! Most police officers couldnt even tell you whats in the bill of rights now adays. It's horrible!

Something I would like to know though, seeing as you were talking about having taken some classes, or teach classes on constitutional law.

If martial law were declared (Regardless of the situation), and the round up of all guns in america was ordered by the president. Would you do it? Do you think others would do it?



Do you know what "madscientist" was talking about when he said that 80% of Irans dollars come from GDP not oil?
Am I the only one that cracked up over that besides you.....


It was very late, I'm not even sure I knew what I was talking about. I'll have to go re-read the posts again.

But if I remember right, and recall right. Wouldnt ALL of their money come from export? How do you make money off of generating and consuming within your own state? Wouldn't the 2 cancel each other out?


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posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by DeusEx
The big drugs out here are still weed and E, but having meth in a urban setting is horrible. Look at the stats out of Washington State. 60% of violent crime and 85% of property crime are commited by meth addicts.

DE



Marijuana is not a "big drug". It's a gateway drug which leads to other drugs yes. Is it a problem? No. People don't go out and rob and kill people because they're "out of weed".

Most areas which have a huge problem with cocain, heroin and things of that nature have decriminilized marijuana because they understand it really isnt a problem. Marijuana is illegal for a few reasons. I would love to get police officer's input on this.

1) Because it can be grown anywhere hence the term "weed"

2) Because of 1 it makes it near impossible to collect taxes off such a thing.

3) When weed was originally banned in america.. It was around the same period of time that there was a war going on between synthetic fibers and hemp fibers. Easy way to put out the competition.

If you look at the statistics. It's far more likely that someone is going to be hit by a drunk driver. Than hit by someone who was stoned, or robbed by someone who was stoned (for weed).

I'm not condoning it's use. I'm simply saying there are bigger fish to fry. I wouldn't however mind seeing alcohol being banned and using marijuana to take its place (legally).



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posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 09:10 PM
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It's a big drug, just in the volume that its produced and consumed, and the amount of money it funnels into crime. It's the most commonly consumed narcotic available. That makes it 'big', if not problematic.

DE



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 10:06 PM
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I would say 99% of the marijuana consumed in america, is produced in america. It is not very cost effective to import it from other countries.

Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Colorado, Other Mid West Farm States, are some of the biggest growers of marijuana in the world.

The mayor of newyork in the 30s had the city do tests to determine the addictiveness of marijuana. Their conclusion, it is not addictive if consumed daily for weeks/months and then consumption halted as if "cold-turkey".

How many people die each year from alcohol overdose, or alcohol related wrecks?

How many people are addicted to alcohol?

Just because something is "legal" it does not make it any more or less harmful, or toxic than a class 1 scheduled substance.



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posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 10:10 PM
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I'm not debating that, T. I'm just saying it's still illegal, it's still a problem right now. British Columbia's biggest cash crop is pot, and guess where all the money goes?

Yes, I know, legalize it, etc...

DE



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 10:12 PM
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I thought it was already decriminalized in BC? It was my understanding that the worst punishment you could get for possession of small amounts (under a quarter pound i believe) was a small fine.

I would say, Most of the money from sales of this goes towards organized crime. Who controls MOST organized crime? The CIA. They have a long history of ties with questionable organizations. I'm sure you're familiar with the mena arkansas scandal. Conspiracies have been flying around since the late/earth 1980s that the CIA was in control of all opium and concain importation into america.

Btw i was still editing my post when you replied =p



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posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 10:24 PM
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It is by and large decriminalized. However, people who move pounds still make good money, and they're people like bikers. The CIA has been singularly proven to be incompetent in my eyes, so...not quite sure how much fo those conspiracies I believe.

(Also, for the record, the amount is like two joints, and the estimated criminal revenue of grow ops in BC alone is over a billion dollars)

DE



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 10:40 PM
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DE


Marijuana is not a "big drug". It's a gateway drug which leads to other drugs yes. Is it a problem? No. People don't go out and rob and kill people because they're "out of weed".

Most areas which have a huge problem with cocain, heroin and things of that nature have decriminilized marijuana because they understand it really isnt a problem. Marijuana is illegal for a few reasons. I would love to get police officer's input on this.

1) Because it can be grown anywhere hence the term "weed"

2) Because of 1 it makes it near impossible to collect taxes off such a thing.

3) When weed was originally banned in america.. It was around the same period of time that there was a war going on between synthetic fibers and hemp fibers. Easy way to put out the competition.

If you look at the statistics. It's far more likely that someone is going to be hit by a drunk driver. Than hit by someone who was stoned, or robbed by someone who was stoned (for weed).

I'm not condoning it's use. I'm simply saying there are bigger fish to fry. I wouldn't however mind seeing alcohol being banned and using marijuana to take its place (legally).



[edit on 30-4-2006 by tsensel]

tsensel you know I hate quoting, but in this instance it is handy as I could not have said it better.
Marijuana is NO WHERE near as damaging as booze. (MY OPINION) Now if it were legalized, ther would have to be some controls, (driving, woking etc) but about the same as alcohol.
So thanks tsensel and (if you tell anyone I agreed, I'll lie like a dog...HAHAHAHA)



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 10:57 PM
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I personally don't smoke marijuana anymore, I just got tired of it. I do think it should be decriminalized though. Most of the studies that were done on it back in the early 20th century were pretty much bogus. The outcome was determined before the research was even done.
That said it is nice to have someone in law enforcement that isn't a total prick. Most of the police in my area, which is a smaller community, are pretty much people you don't want any contact with. I don't like being under scrutiny when I have done nothing wrong. In fact there is only two officers that I have come into contact with that didn't treat me like garbage. One being the Sheriff himself and the other was the officer that picked my up for drinking and driving. I don't trust the police. Where I am from the police take too many liberties with the position they hold. Hell a deputy was busted for writing over 11,000 dollars of bad checks and I doubt he will even get 4 years for it. He took the information off of two men that he picked up for drinking and driving. He then printed out fake checks off of his computer.
I have been pulled over and not been given a reason at least six times and I am only 27. I didn't even get a license till I was 18. On one of those occasions I had the officer tell me that he didn't have to tell me anything. Been pulled over for a tail light or license plate light being out only to find them miraculously working when I got to my destination. I was even once pulled over because the officer thought I was trying to elude them. All because I was going around the block so that I could park in front of my buddy's house. I didn't know that you had to ask the police which route to drive from point A to point B? When protesting a ticket for illegal window tint, which was on the car when I purchased it, I waited 45 minutes for the officer to show up even though it was stated on my ticket that if either party did not appear within 15 minutes of the scheduled time the ruling would go in my favor. Never have I been pulled over for speeding.
My sister was at a stop light waiting to make a left turn and a city cop just pulled into the intersection and stopped. He claims that he saw a "suspect" that he was looking for, after the fact. I was under the impression that police have to obey the rules of the road unless their lights are on. So my sister turned and in the process the officer looked up to see her so he pulled her over and wrote out a ticker for failure to yield. He claimed to the magistrate that he had to slam on his brakes to stop from hitting her. Kind of hard to due when you aren't even moving. Of course the magistrate bought the lie. I have never known my sister to lie and I have no reason to doubt her now, she takes her religion too seriously for her to lie. Also had the chief of police in a nearby town caught selling confiscated and department purchased guns for pocket money. When they searched his office they also found some kiddy porn and heroin in his desk along with a video of him screwing a woman on his desk. What a guy. Some of the charges might be dropped on a technicality involving jurisdiction. The man that replaced him had a little accident back in the late 70's that ended in another man loosing his arm. He was allowed to sit for four hours before they administered a breath test, in which he blew a .09. All he got was probation. It seems that the judges go way to easy on these people.
Just had to get some things off my chest.



posted on Apr, 30 2006 @ 11:13 PM
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sammael
Sorry about your experiences.. I too have seen abuse of power, but there are a lot of good cops out there just doing their duty day in and day out.

Besides Constitutional Law, I used to teach a course in Ethics in the Academy.(we cops teach alot of stuff to each other, I also taught self-defense, SWAT tactics and being a sniper, I taught that in 2 states) Only when an Officer realises that he gives up so much more when he puts on the badge than he/she will ever gain, can he truly know what it is to be an Officer.



posted on May, 1 2006 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by police_officer339
So thanks tsensel and (if you tell anyone I agreed, I'll lie like a dog...HAHAHAHA)



Lol, it cant be that bad!



posted on May, 1 2006 @ 02:40 PM
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Oh trust me it is...
You may not believe this, but I am somewhat of a maverick in the police community.

They only keep me around cause of my education and training...LOL

I tend to rock the boat alot in the "establishment" and I guess I scare some of the more traditional cops.

But oh well....A little boat rocking is good for the fishin...



posted on May, 1 2006 @ 09:22 PM
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I've heard people like Alex Jones discuss police training before. I'm not sure exactly what the contexts are he is talking about. Maybe you've heard of this, maybe not. I was just wondering if I could get your opinion on it.

He's said before that there have been fire fighters and police officers which have come forward after a "training" seminar. In the seminar they were told that property rights activists were bad, people who used the constitution to defend themselves were bad, people who owned guns were bad, etc, etc.

My understanding was that the speakers were from federal departments.. Fbi, etc.

Have you ever experienced anything like this before?

If so, what were the contexts that they said it in?

Do you think this is wrong (although im pretty sure i already know your answer)?

edit...

here are some links

technocrat.net...

www.prisonplanet.com...



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posted on May, 1 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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I've personally never had that kind of training, or should I say indoctrination, but I have heard of it.

Even after all of the evidence to the contrary, I still see that most police are against the private ownership of firearms. (Again indoctrination)

There is a very real phenom. that happens over time with Officers. The amount of authority and responsibility that is carried each day, soon manifests itself as power. Very shortly, they came to believe that the only power is "them".

The us vs them syndrome

I have seen it many times



posted on May, 1 2006 @ 10:39 PM
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Do you have any suggestions on how to change this? Policy measures or otherwise?

What do you think I could do to stop some of this from happening?





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