Duke accuser caught drunk on the night in question?, page 1


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Topic started on 14-4-2006 @ 07:26 PM by XphilesPhan
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So if she was drunk, can the police department get an apology from the black community for claiming once again race was an issue when the fact of the matter was she was flat drunk before hand?

her credibility goes right out the window......

Do the cops always get a bad rap as racists if they dont bend to the demands of the black community?

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reply posted on 14-4-2006 @ 11:55 PM by ceci2006
Oh boy. This is yet another case where I had to look at Skippy before I answered. So, before I comment on what I feel about this occurrence, I am going to post two stories to add to the Newsmax article so that everyone has a clearer picture of what happened.

One comes from a Durham, NC news station demonstrating that the accuser was not drunk before the party. The caller described her condition after the party when the accuser was found at the grocery store:

Officer: Accuser 'Just Passed-out Drunk'

The description of the woman's medical exam -- which Nifong has said is his basis for believing a rape occurred -- does not mention her being drunk. It states only that the woman's injuries and behavior were consistent with having been raped, sexually assaulted and having suffered a traumatic experience.

The woman has told police she and another stripper hired to dance at the party arrived at 11:30 p.m. March 13. The pair reportedly left the house a short time later, fearing for their safety. The accuser told police the two were coaxed back into the house with an apology, at which point they were separated. That's when she said she was dragged into a bathroom and raped, beaten and choked for a half hour. At 12:53 a.m., police received a 911 call from a woman complaining that she had been called racial slurs by white men gathered outside the home where the party took place.

The defense has said it believes the second dancer at the party made that call. The 911 call from the grocery store security guard was placed at 1:22 a.m.In it, the caller says, "Um, the problem is ... it's a lady in somebody else's car and she will not get out of their car. She's like, she's like intoxicated, drunk or something. She's, I mean, she won't get out of the car, period. " A police spokeswoman did not immediately return a call seeking comment on the radio traffic.


The second comes from Newsweek which explains the case point by point:

A Troubled Spring at Duke

April 10, 2006 issue - A few—but only a few—facts are clear and uncontested. On the night of March 13, members of the Duke University lacrosse team, at the time ranked second in the nation, crowded into a small house rented by three of their captains to watch two exotic dancers perform. What happened next is very much a matter of dispute. There are at least two different scenarios, with vastly different implications for everyone involved.

According to the affidavit of a Durham, N.C., police officer, one of the strippers, an African-American woman, told the police she had been raped, sodomized, strangled and beaten by three of the partygoers. The story, with its heavy overtones of race and class, immediately popped onto front pages and TV screens around the country. Duke—an elite school known for its championship basketball teams and privileged, mostly white students—is located in a racially mixed neighborhood in a city that is part Tobacco Road, part Research Triangle. Duke lacrosse players (like lacrosse players at many other top schools) have a reputation for swagger and rowdiness. (In the past three years, 15 of the 47 current members of the team have been arrested for minor charges like holding an open beer in public.).



All I have to say is that the initial DNA test found no matches. However, it could be possibly surmised that the aggressors--whoever they were--might have been more clever than thought.

I will also say that something untoward allegedly happened in that house. What it was, I don't know. But, when the accuser was found in the car, she was clearly traumatized. Just because a caller (not the woman) says that the accuser was drunk, does not mean she was. The accuser had a medical examination which found consistencies with trauma. That also told me that something brutal happened before she reached the grocery store.

There will be a grand jury hearing on Monday, in which I will be awaiting its findings.

But, I wonder what the Black Lacrosse player on Duke's team has to say about this. Why isn't he speaking--either in support of the victim or the team?







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reply posted on 18-4-2006 @ 10:14 AM by Odium

SourceTwo Duke University lacrosse players were arrested early Tuesday on charges of raping and kidnapping a stripper hired to dance at an off-campus party, and the district attorney said he hopes to charge a third person soon.

The indictments, unsealed Tuesday, did not indicate what possible evidence or arguments led the grand jury Monday to indict Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty, both 20. District Attorney Mike Nifong would not discuss the evidence.


XphilesPhan, I seem to be noticing you've been jumping the gun of late. In cases like this, things tend to take time and as can be seen now the charges are being placed against members of the team.
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