East Penthouse atop WTC 7 imploded too!

What are the odds that the East Mechanical Penthouse on top of
the WTC 7 imploded before the rest of the building implodes?

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The rest of the WTC 7 perfectly imploding:

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[size=4]WTC 7 perfectly imploded on it's own footprint: [/size]

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And just in case you forgot:

The collapse of the penthouse is part of the collapse of the entire building. In fact, it is the START OF THE COLLAPSE!


In fact, for all of those who claim that there was no “resistance” to the collapse, How come you never include the start of the collapse in your calculations?

Surely there is “resistance” of the frame to the failure from the point when the penthouse roof starts to sag and the point at which the rest of the building fails?

Nice Killtown, you jsut killed your own theory. It imploded after internal strucutral failure. During demo work, the primary charges are on the lower floors, with subsequent charges if needed farther up the buildings structure. Where are the explsoions when the Penthouse collapses?

Also, Don't put quotes from WTC 6, which they did destroy, in the same thread. WTC 6 was heavily damaged and was bought down. Let's not confuse them.

Because there was no resistance for the roof of the building, and everything else besides the penthouse, as it fell. It all fell at the rate of free fall, even as the steel structure would have theoretically have been hitting the ground. So where was the resistance? There wasn't any. Free fall pretty much means no resistance.

Unless you're suggesting that the penthouse fell and took out every single column in the building, and then the building continued to stand for some time before collapsing at free fall, then what you're saying doesn't even matter Howard. And if you are suggesting that, then you're ignorant. But I don't think you're trying to actually suggest that.



And then what? The whole structure can no longer bear the immense weight of that little penthouse, and all collapses at free fall?

its interesting to say the least. its got some substance to it but seems like it needs to be checked out further by experts....o wait experts never agree anymore so i guess that wont matter.

anyway check this out, my own research to point to the demolition of the WTC, in a unique way never bothered to be seen:
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Yes, totally consistent with a controlled demo of a skyscraper where they blow the internal part of the building before the rest so the rest of the building will fall in on itself.

1) Again, totally consistent with a controlled demo of a skyscraper where they blow the internal part of the building before the rest so the rest of the building will fall in on itself.

2) Same thing happened to the 7.

It is totally consistent with the failure of an internal column line.

The collapse started with the "kink" forming in the roof of the penthouse, and ended when the building hit the ground. It did NOT start when the roof of the building started to drop, since the penthouse had alread dissapeared by that time, the collapse was well underway.

Those that use the start of the roofline movment to time the collapse are incorrect in doing so.

the usual suspects arrive at the scene...

this info on the real estate deal from the link below:

"The lease agreement applied to World Trade Center Buildings One, Two, Four and Five World Trade Center, and about 425,000 square feet of retail space. Silverstein put up only $14 million of his own money [2] and the $3.2 billion deal closed on July 24th. Larry Silverstein already owned 7 World Trade Center which was also destroyed in the attack."

Wikipedia on Larry Silverstein

--seems like lucky Larry had lotsa time to wire up #7 if he wanted to...

'Following the attacks, Silverstein was awarded an insurance payment of more than three and a half billion dollars to settle his seven-week-old insurance policy[3]. In addition, the Silverstein group sued the insurers liable for the World Trade Center for another three and a half billion dollars, claiming that by an obscure clause in their contract, the two planes constituted two separate terrorist attacks[4]. In total, Silverstein was awarded nearly $5 billion in insurance money following the destruction of the Twin Towers[5].'

--sounds like a great return on investment to me...

'In March 2006, during talks about the future of the World Trade Center site and the division of roles in the re-development for the Port Authority and Silverstein, New York State officials charged that Silverstein's greed was responsible for the breakdown in talks just minutes before a midnight deadline[6]. The Port Authority described Silverstein’s last-minute proposal as “outrageous,” and more:'

--obviously money was the most important thing to Larry despite the big payoff.

"'It was clearly an indication of the greed involved and not really in the public interest," said Port Authority Vice Chairman Charles Gargano. "This is not a traditional real estate project. This is a project where thousands of people lost their lives. This was an attack on New York City and America, and we expect Larry Silverstein and his group to understand the importance of this public project.'"

--yeah but Larry and his buddies set up the attack so they own the moment and the aftermath that resulted...

'A spokesman for Silverstein said that he was willing to negotiate at any time, and saw the deadlock as temporary.'

--we shall see

-- check this out...

"Then it was about 5:00, because I was getting hungry. We were eating oatmeal cookies and watered-down Gatorade from the Salvation Army and the Red Cross. ... We walked back. We didn't do any further because building number seven was coming down. That was another problem, to wait for building seven to come down, because that was unsecure. It was about 5:30 that building came down." [WTC Task Force Interview]'

WTC to be pulled

Which fits nicely with:



Controlled demo or structural failure?

www.infowars.com...

So, it's a cut and dry conclusion huh? Natural collapse due to small fires and mininal damage? I doubt the honesty and accuresy of your quote.

I can't believe anybody still thinks the 7 WASN'T demo'd after seeing this! I mean the 7 imploded so perfectly.

I mean the penthouse kinks toward the middle of it just like the entire building did:

image source: http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/video/wtc7/wtc7-penthouse-kink.gif

image source: http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/wtc7/wtc7_kink.jpg



So both penthouses collapses into the building before the main building starts to fall which is consistent with demoing the internal part of a building to make it easier for the outside to fall in on itself and then the sides of the building falls inward exactly how a demo is described:



Then throw in Larry's pull order and all the accounts of the ground crews being told that the 7 is coming down and waiting around for it to collapse. Man, how much more evidence does one need?

Getting off topic how come the 9/11 commission ignored all of the WTC 7 issue?

[edit on 1-6-2006 by Crazy_Mr_Crowley]

If you don't count the second a bit the pent house takes to collapse, the building fell at the rate of free fall in a total vaccuum.

Howard is right, that IF the building fell because of fire, that when the pent house started collapsing other sections within the building probably would of been collapsing too.

Can anyone get any info on how WTC 7 was constructed? We have a bit on the Towers but not building 7.

I can't even begin to calculate the odds of a fire doing what a careful labor intensive controlled demolition tries to do. If fire can do that with no problem, demo companies are wasting their time and money. Why don't they just torch buildings from now on?

Come on, the landlord said out of his own mouth he ordered IT pulled.

Someone needs to make an animation illustrating how NIST is trying to say WTC7 fell.

It's so ridiculous, that such an animation would speak for itself. A vertical column fails straight down upon itself through the whole building because of localized fires, and then as a result, other columns later fall simultaneously, and straight down upon themselves, somehow bringing the whole building straight down upon itself in a symmetrical fashion. It all lands in a neat pile at the base. Falls at free-fall speed.

I understand that no amount of talk or discussion will get through to you guys about how ridiculous this would be without explosives. But maybe any illustration would. If not, then you don't really care for the truth. This is getting to become basic common sense. Once you begin to twist that to protect your beliefs, you're hopeless.

and also the owner said he ordered it pulled and the rescue crew said they were waiting around because they were told the entire building was coming down! How much more evidence do we need?!

I'm sure this is only another in the long line of many many coincidences surrounding 9/11:




And I'm sure this has NOTHING to do with it:

Can one of you critique this simple program I wrote which uses the principle of conservation of momentum to calculate a minimum fall time of WTC7 of 8.58 seconds. Steven Jones, in an interview here,

Steven Jones interview (17 mins into audio)

says a mathematician friend of his came up with a min collapse time of 8.5-9 secs. My program assumes no air or building resistance, and the building collapses into a pile of rubble 47*0.62 meters high (the total of the assumed floor and roof widths):

int stories = 47;
double meters = 174.0;
double g = 9.8; //acceleration of gravity
double metersPFloor = 0.62; //floor and roof width
double mps = (meters - stories*metersPFloor) / stories;

double speed = 0.0; //speed of collapsing floors
double cMass = 1.0; //current mass of collapsing structure
double totalTime = 0.0;
double time; //time for floor to get to next

for (int i=0; i < stories; i++) //counts roof collapsing onto highest story
{
time = (Math.sqrt (speed*speed + 2.0*g*mps) - speed) / g;
totalTime += time;
speed += g*time;
//speed decreases after collision (conservation of momentum (mass*speed))
speed *= cMass / (1.0+cMass);
cMass++; //set current mass to include new floor
}
System.out.println ("Total time: "+totalTime);


[edit on 4-6-2006 by guest100]

Localized fires?



Is that what you call localized fires?