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Originally posted by eudaimonia
So to the masons here, when you're initiated into a 3rd Degree, do "they" tell you the history behind it all before blind folding you?
Originally posted by eudaimonia
This ‘Lost King’ was the Theban pharaoh Seqenenry Tao II, the last Theban pharaoh of the Middle Kingdom.
Hiram Abif kept the true secret with him until death - what every true Freemason will do.
ML
there is a rabbinic legend
Originally posted by Nygdan
Interesting, what is the citation for that legend?
When was the ritual of the third degree worked out anyway? If I recall properly, there are constitutions that work out that Solomon wanted a temple, called his buddy King Hiram, who sent his master builder Hiram Abif, who was killed by three Jews. BUt the specifics are not there no?? THe three gates, the sequence of hits, etc?
Originally posted by Nygdan
I thought that the only secret that you are required to keep is the modes of recognition? Also, what is the moral in keeping a secret to the grave?
Originally posted by Masonic Light
that the raising alludes to a secret Masonic agenda of restoring the Stuarts to the English throne,
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by Masonic Light
that the raising alludes to a secret Masonic agenda of restoring the Stuarts to the English throne,
"Stuart Masonry", as its called no? Intersting that you should mention it. If i recall correctly, mackey rejects the idea that ramsay made up the higher degrees as "stuart restoration" re-interpretation of existing masonic legends because the legends, at the time, didn't exist.
Originally posted by Masonic StudentIf he is right, Hiram is Grand Master De Molet
Also, what is the moral in keeping a secret to the grave?
I guess this is where the old saying about giving someone the 3rd degree came from
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
Nope. as far as I am aware the term 3rd degree dates from a much earlier time
and refers to The three degrees of torture instituted by the Emporess Maria Theressa (as I recall), the thumb screw, a version of the rack in which fire was used, and the strapadero ( a version of which was used by the NVA interogators).
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The third degree, thanks to old Hollywood cops and robbers movies, is now synonymous with police interrogation with bright lights and rubber hoses and without the benefits of counsel. But where did this phrase come from? And what are the first two degrees?
The phrase comes from freemasonry. To become a Third-Degree or Master Mason, the highest rank, one must submit to questioning. The questioning associated with a Third-Degree Mason dates to at least 1772. Some sources say the questioning is long and intense, others that it is a mere formality (not being a Mason I don't know), but whichever is true, the idea that the Masons' testing was an ordeal became fixed in the public mind. So, by 1880 the term became used for any long an arduous questioning or interrogation. Around the turn of the 20th century, the term began to be applied, outside of Masonic rituals, exclusively to police interrogations. The idea of a brutal interrogation being called the third degree was no doubt helped along by association with third-degree burn.
So, there really are no first or second degrees of police brutality.
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
Do the terms HONOR, Fidelity, Respect, responsibilityring a bell?