Hell is for the weak

That's right, you heard me. Hell is for all the spineless, gutless, will-less herd of sheep. Hell is reserved for all the christians that do no more than sit in a pew on sundays. The meek shall inherit the earth but the strong willed fighters shall inherit heaven. Remember the parable of the sower? What do the majority of christians do with the talents given to them by the Master? They stuff em in their pocket and sit on them. They save their talents and wait for the Master's return. WEAK!

They sit in church week after week and do nothing. They don't even complain anymore because they wouldn't want to disrupt their comfort. Oh yea, 95% of christians are going to hell for sure! For those that want to go to hell it won't be hell for them it will be heaven. But for those so scared of hell, guess what, prepare for eternal damnation for your weak spirit. What do you have to offer the Master upon his return? That one talent stuffed in your pocket squished by the collective fat ass of christianity!

Uh, what ever happened to the doctrine of Grace, salvation by faith? Are you advocating salvation by works????

What did Jesus advocate?

for if one does not have faith in ones self but in another he certaintly does not exist...
but i cannot judge the path of those who would rather not make choices in life...

Mark 18:15
15. He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:16
16. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Romans 3:21
21. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
22. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24. and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
25. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--

Ephesians 2:8
8. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
9. not by works, so that no one can boast.

Salvation by faith, not works.

but that and all those words still require a choice...
a choice to serve others and thats not easy...
or no choice and serve yourself and that is quite easy...

relying on a doctrine is quite simply not making a choice...

but utilizing a doctrine as a method of making the necessary decision to understand the difference between such stated choices more than likely comes from the spirit...

1. the path to heaven has many roads in potentiality of infinity...

2. the gateway to hell has none...

i cannot judge the actions of another man for my pleasure is in that of serving others in a loving manner...

From bigsage
. the path to heaven has many roads in potentiality of infinity...
2. the gateway to hell has none...
i cannot judge the actions of another man for my pleasure is in that of serving others in a loving manner...

I am missing something here, could you expand what you are saying?

LOL UR A FOOL HOW CAN IT BE WEAK? IS KILLING SOMEONE WEAK? DO U HAVE THE BALLS TO KILL SOMEONE? DO U HAVE THE BALLS TO BLOW UP A SHIP OF PEOPLE? INCLUDING CHILDERN.WOMEN,MEN? IF UR GENREAL GAVE U THE ORDERS TO DO SO? ARE U A MAN THAT GETS DONE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? HEAVEN IS EASY ALL U DO IS LOVE LOVE LOVE HOW HARD IS THAT? HOW HARD IS BEING GOOD? I COULD DO IT ITS PRETTY EASY I CHOOSE NOT TO ITS FOR THE WEAK BEING WEAK GETS U KILLED THE "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTIST" I CONDEM GOD AND HEAVEN UR ETHIER GOOD OR BAD WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT U CAN'T HAVE BOTH WAYS SO U GOT TO CHOOSE WHAT WAY UR GONNA CHOOSE AND STICK WIT IT

dont cry about that fact...
as a man blessed as all men are this life is beautiful understand that...
yet the actions we create to justify killing another man for our fears is nothing more than that just fears of death, which is...

jag...
i can but it would be better if one found it for them selves...

but as one to another the hate and violence you see is created and not by men...

Thug..I feel you got it all backwards........the road to hell is wide and easy.....the road to heaven is narrow and hard.......just my opinion.

Oh no, you did not just spew scripture at me.

James 2:17
"In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."

James 2:22
"You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did."


So how do you show your faith without action? How do you use the talents the Master has bestowed on you?

Halfway down the trail to Hell,
In a shady meadow green
Are the Souls of all dead troopers camped,
Near a good old-time canteen.
And this eternal resting place
Is known as Fiddlers' Green.

Marching past, straight through to Hell
The Infantry are seen.
Accompanied by the Engineers,
Artillery and Marines,
For none but the shades of Cavalrymen
Dismount at Fiddlers' Green.

Though some go curving down the trail
To seek a warmer scene.
No trooper ever gets to Hell
Ere he's emptied his canteen.
And so rides back to drink again
With friends at Fiddlers' Green.

And so when man and horse go down
Beneath a saber keen,
Or in a roaring charge of fierce melee
You stop a bullet clean,
And the hostiles come to get your scalp,
Just empty your canteen,
And put your pistol to your head
And go to Fiddlers' Green.

1923 Cavalry Journal

Originally posted by tracer
Thug..I feel you got it all backwards........the road to hell is wide and easy.....the road to heaven is narrow and hard.......just my opinion.

No, I also share that belief. After much reading and religious study, it is not mear opinion, but indeed fact.

[Edited on 13-10-2003 by ADVISOR]

are you advocating no choice of correct choice or that choice does not matter and those who do are participants in the "game"...
These concerns highlight the issue of the many forces that may restrain or compel behavior against one's will, which, if one was AWARE of them, one might or might not choose otherwise. The point is: We are not free if our potential or actual choices are restricted. Locke makes an example of a man locked into a room in which he prefers to stay. The man desires to stay in the room, is able to do so, and is thus free by Hobbes's definition, but the man does not have the power to leave the room and is thus not free according to Locke! (www.cassiopea.com)

[Edited on 13-10-2003 by bigsage]

Sorry about that uIVIa but it has been a long night and notice that I normally quote several passages when I do (so the sin of proof texting cannot be leveled against me). Salvation is not dependent upon the use of gifts; salvation is based on faith in Christ alone. The works we do will give us reward and glorification at the Bama Seat judgement. We do what we can do as the Holy Spirit leads us. These passages you quoted represent how the Faith and works go together to present the Gospel of Christ to the world. If a Christian does no good works, then his faith is dead to the world (but not to God). Indeed when he gets to Heaven, there will be no bands playing for him but he will get in anyway.

and the choice to follow one is that, a choice to not "blaze your own trail"...
i do believe in the christ body...
but in doing such i choose not to limit my choices in my "travels"...

Originally posted by ThugSniper
LOL UR A FOOL HOW CAN IT BE WEAK? IS KILLING SOMEONE WEAK? DO U HAVE THE BALLS TO KILL SOMEONE? DO U HAVE THE BALLS TO BLOW UP A SHIP OF PEOPLE? INCLUDING CHILDERN.WOMEN,MEN? IF UR GENREAL GAVE U THE ORDERS TO DO SO? ARE U A MAN THAT GETS DONE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? HEAVEN IS EASY ALL U DO IS LOVE LOVE LOVE HOW HARD IS THAT? HOW HARD IS BEING GOOD? I COULD DO IT ITS PRETTY EASY I CHOOSE NOT TO ITS FOR THE WEAK BEING WEAK GETS U KILLED THE "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTIST" I CONDEM GOD AND HEAVEN UR ETHIER GOOD OR BAD WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT U CAN'T HAVE BOTH WAYS SO U GOT TO CHOOSE WHAT WAY UR GONNA CHOOSE AND STICK WIT IT

First off, STOP SCREAMING!!!

Ok, now, your definition of power is just a weaker form of power. Remember there is no power without first there being Will.

IF UR GENREAL GAVE U THE ORDERS TO DO SO?

How much Will is required to follow orders?

Everyone has the power to kill another. But your will would be to assist another in gaining power. They have subverted your will. WEAK!

Also, you failed to read the part where I said hell would not be hell for those that wanted to go. It would be heaven. So if you have a strong will for seeking power for YOURSELF then you would go to heaven. It doesn't matter if you're anyone's definition of Good or Bad. As long as your WILL is strong for YOUR choice then you will be rewarded with the power you seek. But giving that power up to some general will only weaken you because the general controls your power and will.

Please call me Advisor, or mod.
Moderator is just..too long.


Free will.
Accourding to scripture, we the human species are the ONLY creature/s, God gave this gift to.

What we do or do not do, is on us.
Not even God can prevent our actions or choices.

That is why Satan, shaitan, or lucifer, what ever name you wish, questioned the Lord. Because he could already foresee the drastic possibilties of our irresponcibilty.

God said have faith, they are my creations as you are. And they will do as they were created to do.

So everythig that happens we bring upon ourselves, because of "OUR" freewill. Don't blame God for what we do to each other, because it is our own fault, not his.

God isn't to blame for a single thing in this world, people are. And when everyone realizes this honest and simple truth. The world may be a better place.

And what does this happen to do with conspiracies?

Originally posted by jagdflieger
Sorry about that uIVIa but it has been a long night and notice that I normally quote several passages when I do (so the sin of proof texting cannot be leveled against me). Salvation is not dependent upon the use of gifts; salvation is based on faith in Christ alone. The works we do will give us reward and glorification at the Bama Seat judgement. We do what we can do as the Holy Spirit leads us. These passages you quoted represent how the Faith and works go together to present the Gospel of Christ to the world. If a Christian does no good works, then his faith is dead to the world (but not to God). Indeed when he gets to Heaven, there will be no bands playing for him but he will get in anyway.

Good show ole chap. I'll give you that. I admire your ability to stand for your belief. I am certainly not here to change your's or anyone elses. Also, thanks for the futher clarification on your personal choice of faith. I have never heard of "Bama Seat" before.

Just for the record my personal belief is that EVERYTHING I have been taught since birth is at some level a trap. This includes all beliefs in an outside authority that will judge my one and only life. This includes all ideas given about sex, politics, science, astronomy and so many other areas. There is truth out there but it's so packed full of lies it becomes almost unrecognizable. But then is that not why I'm here. I love mystery, I love surprises, I love tests of my will, I love searching and learning. Oh, and I also came for the coffee.