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Constitution v/s Modern America (How has this Happened)?

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posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 09:37 PM
Reading the original constitution of the United States several things in modern america don't make sense.

1) The income tax is unconstitutional
2) We are supposed to be secure in our persons from unreasonable search and seizure and wire tapping
3) Only congress has the power to issue money yet our money is issued by a private corporation-the federal reserve

posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 10:33 PM
you bring up a good point. There are many American laws that have been passed by, "the people", that could be considered unconstitutional.

The problem is that the "people" arent really the people. We have a government based upon REPRESENTATION. We dont elect a president, congress does.

We dont pass laws, REPRESENTATIVES DO.

Now wats interesting is that The Congress has a relection rate of 99%. Can u imagine what the UN would say if a dictator had a 99% election rate? THe UN would scream fraud. THe problem is that the American people are willing to accept small removals of liberty for "convience". Much like a frog slowly boiled...what has become of our country is a slow process begun long before Reagan or FDR. Since the very founding of our nation there have been parties whose soul goal was to eventually gain complete control of the system. What we are seeing today is the fruits of over 200 years of quiet subtle behind the scenes work.

While we as Americans do enjoy many freedoms that are supposedly not available abroad, we are still denied certain inalienable rights as described by Locke in the Social Contract.

Drugs, sex, rock and roll religon.,...all of them are controled by our Federal Government. For example, Ca recently LEGALIZED cannabis....what does the DEA do, a federal orginization, start busting smokers in the state of CA in an effort to undermine a state law.

The simplest explination for how our country has fallen as far as it has can be summed up in two points:

1. Voter apathy....we barely ever get more than a 40% turnout at PRESIDENTIAL election...even less for state/legislature votes. Meaning when a president wins "52%" of the vote and calls it a mandate....he in actuality has only 25% of the GENERAL populations approval. Thus only a quater of the population elected King George twice...and he calls it a mandate.

2. LACK OF GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY. The federal government is no longer held accountable to the American people. Government officals appoint thier friends who have no qualifications to important job posts in orginizations such as NASA, Dept. of Homeland Security, etc. The have huge ethical scandals and it might make front page news for a week and then its on to more important things. Until we begin to hold our ELECTED officals accountable for not only the things they do, but the things that the rest of the GOVERNMENT does, we cannot resonably expect there to be any significant change in the way things are run in this country or abroad.

On a side note, as an American Citizen I would like to apologize to all of you out there who have been abused, manipulated, or exploited by my government. The things that this government does abroad are not easily found out by the every day average american. Our heads are filled with millions of dollars worth of propoganda telling us that we are the best most free country in the world And that we have the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to do as we please any where on this planet and that all who disagree are EVIL peoples.

So once again.... RISE THE PROLETARIATE.....My fellow Americans it is time to stand up and ask not what can I do for my country but what should my country be doing for me.

El senor pom pom rides again

posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 10:57 PM
I just want the freedom that our founding fathers fought for: freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, right to bear arms, right to not be secure from unreasonable search and seizure, and not to have to pay the income tax

posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 11:11 PM
If this be the case...then pick up your pitch forks...cause The Income Tax is not going to go away on its own. The Department of Defense has way too much invested in Income Tax to let that one go silently into the night.

You talk about wanting some of the orignal freedoms back....Im not pessismist...but short of civil war....or invasion....our national policies arent going to change because it costs too much to change them.

Not only that...but....the things that would be cut first would be things like care.....mental health care....senior citizens....and then....when the people complain....the govenrment ....its cause we dont have income tax.

Income tax is a must in an industrialized society....what we should be advocating for is not the repeal of the Income tax....but instead...we should start pushing for PERCENTAGE...based tax code....where we all pay the same percentage...yes rich people will pay more mmoney.....but its the same hurts the it fair that we all get the same fines for speeding or traffic violations....Nope....yet they say we have to be fair.... Income tax plays a very important role in our society...however when close to half a trillion dollars in OUR TAX dollars can be thrown away on a does make one want to not have to pay income tax....but seeing as that is not a realistic goal...your time and protest energy might be better spent trying to bring responsibility and accountability to those who would spend our hard earned dollars on trivial meaningless activites.

El senor pom pom rides again

posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 11:22 PM
What has The united states come to, when I talk to people about these ideas, they think i am just joking or something, we are brainwashed. The United states is not much of the home of the free, as it is the home of the Uninformed. by the way, I am an american citizen, so dont send me hate mail! thanks.

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 11:02 PM

Originally posted by arius
Reading the original constitution of the United States several things in modern america don't make sense.

1) The income tax is unconstitutional
2) We are supposed to be secure in our persons from unreasonable search and seizure and wire tapping
3) Only congress has the power to issue money yet our money is issued by a private corporation-the federal reserve

Income tax was instituted by an amendment to the Constitution: The Sixteenth.

You are secure from unreasonable searches and seizures; I remember scoffing at how could police not search your trunk of your car if they thought there was something in it...they need a warrent or a very good reason to do it on the spot.

Congress has the power to delegate (through over-sight) their legislative powers. Mostly bureaucracies now make laws...but the Congress still has full over-sight and can cut the bureaucrats' budgets immediately.

The change mostly comes from the change of Lockeian to Hegelian theory...from classical to progressive.

It's a bad change; but it's happend.

posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 09:50 AM
Someone at ATS has a Bill of Rights avatar. That avatar is depicted as being torn down the middle. I think it an apt description of what has taken place in the US over the last 200+ years.

The American citizen has been used and abused by a system which has been consistently undermined and, as a previous poster (hereinafter referred to as PP pointed out, subtly revised.

The real horror, again pointed out by a PP, is that US citizens have stood idly by while this transition from democratic republic to socialist state has taken place. I don't claim to be an expert, but it seems pretty socialist to me.

Anyway, my husband, Landis, a fellow poster here, is very fond of a Thomas Jefferson quote:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

I happen to agree with Thomas. He was a very wise and gifted man. He speaks to us from the grave these days (not literally) and it may be time to listen.

I'm sure the NSA/CIA Carnivore/Echelon-types will be all over my buttocks very shortly because I've said this. I should probably get in the shower before they get here so I look nice for them.

Did you see that? I can't even speak my mind under the First Amendment without fear of being arrested by the new Nazi regime. This isn't the United States of America I learned about in grade school. I did learn about this place, but it had a different name ~ the USSR.

posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 06:38 PM
First I would like to give my .02 on income tax. I would not mind paying a tax "so" much if it were for things to benefit the country, but then again we could just rely on tariff duties like we did prior to 1913. I don't think our tax money should be going to things like foreign aid and financing wars around the world. What really ticks me off the most is the reason income tax was created, to pay the interest on the national debt to international bankers.

Allow me to quickly explain for those who don't know. Our government could never afford to operate with taxes as it's sole source of revenue. Therefore gov't must borrow (to make a long story short) from international bankers, so the gov't would have enough money to operate on. The bankers, being as shrewd as they are came up with a system so the gov't would not default on the loan payments (both interest and principal) to the bankers. That system was the income tax or 16th amendment, so American citizens could pay for the loans that gov't , not the people borrowed. So you can see income tax has little to do with building bridges, maintaining roads, funding education etc.

Now to the Constitution vs today's America. According author "Boston T. Party" in his book "Hologram of Liberty" Boston claims that the constitution was supposed to take us to exactly where we are at. He tells us a bit about some of the Federalists like Hamilton who was very power hungry and ambitious, sought a much more centralized gov't that they could be the managers of. The federalists could not get exactly what they wanted because tyranny would not be tolorated by the revolutionary war generation who fought tyranny less than 10 years ago. They could with trickory and undifined phrases such as "interstate commerce" and "general welfare" clauses create loopholes that would cause federal expansion to levels that could not even be dreamed of by many of the founders. The book is one of the best I have read, and no Boston does not paint every federalist as part of the plot, but there were definately many more people than we think who wanted a strong intrusive gov't at the expense of the people.

posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Elsenorpompom
We dont elect a president, congress does.

Is this something new? Did I miss something in Civics class?

posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 01:05 PM
Quote: Originally posted by CradyPhilpott
Is this something new? Did I miss something in Civics class?

This is not new....and Nope you prolly didnt miss this in your Civics class. The United States Presidential Election process is based in the ELECTORAL COLLEGE. One vote does not equal one vote for the president. As with Bush's first election win and Andrew Jacksons as well....They won the ELECTORAL COLLEGE vote but lost the POPULAR VOTE. Popular vote being what the people say. But becuase of REDISTRICTING and GERRYMANDERING....politicians on Both sides, throughout the short history of our country, have redrawn the political map hundreds of times shifting votes from one county to the next. Since most states cant split vote...meaning one state chooses one candidate...political redistricting can have a significant affect on National Elections.

If you have any more questions in regards to this issue....feel free to U2U me.

posted on Mar, 29 2006 @ 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Fighting Kentuctian
He tells us a bit about some of the Federalists like Hamilton who was very power hungry and ambitious, sought a much more centralized gov't that they could be the managers of. The federalists could not get exactly what they wanted because tyranny would not be tolorated by the revolutionary war generation who fought tyranny less than 10 years ago.

I definatly have never been a hamiltonian, but I don't even think that alexander would have wanted a debt like the one we have today. No Federalist would have supported fiat money either. Hamilton recognized the importance of establishing internetional credit, and the only way to acomplish this is through debt. post revolutionalry war, the several states each had various amounts of debt, along with the federal government. Hamilton shrewdly eusurped a lot of power by assuming the state's debt into the federal government, and goving the fed, not the states, the ability to collect and levy tarrifs, and this did begin a short history of the federal government accumulating power through added responsability. There is a balance somewhere between the jeffersonians and the hamiltonians. I don't know what we have today. it's federalist on steroids, divided into 2 parties that are really opposing teeth on the same saw, cutting down our tree of liberty. As jefferson observed much to abigail adam's alarm:
"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike. It is its natural manure." it's probaby time to turn on the sprinklers.

posted on Mar, 29 2006 @ 03:42 PM
Our loving parent the Government ....or ....a parenting guide for the new "America".

(edited for this posting)

I think it is very important that we teach our children about the true nature of government. Now, at last, there is a way to give your children a basic course right in your own home!

In my own experience as a father, I have discovered several simple devices that can illustrate to a child's mind the principles on which the modern state deals with its citizens. You may find them helpful too.

For example, I used to play the simple card game WAR with my son. After a while, when he thoroughly understood that the higher ranking cards beat the lower ranking ones, I created a new game I called GOVERNMENT.

In this game, I was Government, and I won every trick, regardless of who had the better card. My boy soon lost interest in my new game, but I like to think it taught him a valuable lesson for later in life.

When your child is a little older, you can teach him about our tax system in a way that is easy to grasp and will allow him to understand the benefits.

Offer him, say, $10 to mow the lawn. When he has mowed it and asks to be paid, withhold $5 and explain that this is income tax. Give $1 of this to his younger brother, who has done nothing to deserve it, and tell him that this is "fair" because the younger brother 'needs money too'.

Also, explain that you need the other $4 yourself to cover the administrative costs of dividing the money and for various other things you need.

Make him place his $5 in a savings account over which you have authority. Explain that if he is ever naughty, you will remove the money from the account without asking him. Also explain how you will be taking most of the interest he earns on that money, without his permission. Mention that if he tries to hide the money, this, in itself, will be evidence of wrongdoing and will result in you automatically taking the money from him.

Conduct random searches of his room in the small hours of the morning. Burst in unannounced. Go through all of his drawers and pockets. If he questions this, tell him you are acting on a tip-off from a mate of his who casually mentioned that you had both earned a bit of spare cash last week. If you find it, confiscate all of that money and also take his stereo and television. Tell him you are selling these and keeping the money to compensate you for having to make the raid. Also lock him in his room for a month as further punishment.

When he cries at the injustice of this, tell him he is being "selfish" and "greedy" and only interested in looking after his own happiness. Explain that he should learn to sacrifice his own happiness for other people and that since he cannot be relied upon or trusted to do this voluntarily, you will use force to ensure he complies. Later in life he will thank you.

Make as many rules as possible. Leave the reasons for them obscure. Enforce them arbitrarily. Accuse your child of breaking rules you have never told him about and carefully explain that ignorance of your rules is not an excuse for breaking them. Keep him anxious that he may be violating commands you haven't yet issued. Instill in him the feeling that rules are utterly irrational. This will prepare him for living under a democratic government.

He is too young to understand the benefits of democracy, so explain this wonderful system as follows: You, your wife and his brother get together and vote that your son should have all privileges removed, be caned, and confined to his room for a week.

If he protests that you are violating his rights, patiently explain his error and tell him that the majority have voted for this punishment and nothing matters except the will of the majority.

When your child has matured sufficiently to understand how the judicial system works, set a bedtime for him of, say, 10 p.m. and then send him to bed at 9 p.m. When he tearfully accuses you of breaking the rules, explain that you made the rules and you can interpret them in any way that seems appropriate to you, according to changing conditions.

Promise often to take him to the movies or the zoo, and then, at the appointed hour, recline in an easy chair with a newspaper and tell him you have changed your plans. When he screams, "but you promised!", explain to him that it was a campaign promise and hence meaningless.

Every now and then, without warning, slap your child. Then explain that this is self-defense. Tell him that you must be vigilant at all times to stop any potential enemy before he gets big enough to hurt you. This, too, your child will appreciate, not right at that moment, maybe, but later in life.

If he finds this hard to accept, you can further illustrate the point as follows. Take him on a trip across town with you, to a strange neighborhood. Walk into any random house you choose and start sorting out their domestic problems, using violence if that is what is required.

Make sure you use overwhelming force to crush the family into submission - this avoids a protracted visit and becoming involved for long periods of time. Explain to your son that only a coward stands idly by whilst injustice is happening across town. Tell him we are all brothers and problems left to fester will eventually spill over into your neighborhood. Use some of the $5 you took from your son as bus fare and to purchase a baseball bat.

Drink a bottle of whisky and then lecture him on the evils of smoking dope. If he points out your hypocrisy remind him that the majority of people drink and that, as already explained, the needs of the majority are the only moral standard.

Break up any meeting between him and more than three of his mates as being an 'unlawful gathering'. If he strokes the cat without the cat giving its express permission, slap him hard for feline harassment.

Mark one designated spot in the yard where he can leave his bike. If he leaves it anywhere else, padlock it and demand $50 to release it. If he offends more than three times, confiscate the bike, sell it, and keep the money.

Install a CCTV system in your son's bedroom and also record all his telephone conversations. If he protests, accuse him of having something to hide. Explain that only criminals seek privacy and that good, dutiful children relinquish their privacy in exchange for the advantages which protective parenthood offers. Remind him of the boy across town who was caught smoking dope in his bedroom by just such a CCTV system, and explain that this case justifies installing CCTV in all teenagers' bedrooms.

Lie to your child constantly. Teach him that words mean nothing - or rather that the meanings of words are continually "evolving", and may be tomorrow the opposite of what they are today.

Have a word with his teachers at school and ask them to share any merit marks your son achieves, with any ethnic minority or female students who did not get any merit marks. If he questions this policy, explain that these students deserve special treatment because long ago people like them didn't get to go to school at all, and so it is only fair that he shares the merits around today to compensate for this.

This is also probably a good time to tell him that his energy, talent and enthusiasm will not secure him a job if the quota of such 'abused' people has not yet been filled. Tell him talent stands for nothing - it is fairness and sharing which are important. Remind him that his primary duty is the happiness and welfare of people he does not know, and will never meet.

Ban cutlery from your home and make your son eat with his fingers. If he asks why, remind him of the youth who stabbed a cat to death last week with a fork. Explain that if just one cat is saved by the banning of cutlery, then this prohibition will be worthwhile. If he protests, question him closely about why he is intending to kill innocent cats, or accuse him of being a cat hater.

Issue him with a pass card which he must show before he can enter the house. Stand guard at the front door. When he comes home, politely but firmly take him into the spare room and question him about his movements.

Ask him how much cash he has on his person. If in excess of $50, confiscate the lot as it exceeds the house rule for maximum cash allowed. Then search his rucksack and pockets. To keep him guessing, do the occasional strip search. If he protests, detain him for longer and make the search more thorough. If he gets really angry at this, hold him in a locked room until he misses his next outing or party.

If these methods sound harsh, I am only being cruel to be kind. I think it is important for children to understand the nature of the society in which we live.

Now ask we live in a free country

posted on Mar, 29 2006 @ 05:08 PM
[edit on 29-3-2006 by Peruvianmonk]

posted on Mar, 29 2006 @ 09:05 PM

Originally posted by Fighting KentuctianWhat really ticks me off the most is the reason income tax was created, to pay the interest on the national debt to international bankers.

You forgot to mention that the money the international bankers loan to the governments (not only the U.S. government, but most if not all on the planet!!!) is created out of thin air!! All they just do is just add numbers to their accounts. They're in full control of it. They alter and control their bank accounts just like you would be able to do the same a video game when you know the cheat codes.

There are no bigger scammers on this planet than the international bankers. Our whole western economy is based on a fraud.

[edit on 29-3-2006 by TheBandit795]

posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 12:26 AM
Congressional Digression

In the United States, the Congress and Electoral College are not the same thing:

U.S. Congress

The House of Representatives consists of 435 members representing the fifty states. Seats are apportioned among the states on the basis of population, but every state, regardless of size, is guaranteed at least one seat. Representatives are directly elected by single-member constituencies known as congressional districts. Each state may draw the boundaries of its districts, subject to certain legal requirements; for instance, districts must have approximately equal populations. Representatives serve for concurrent two-year terms.

The Senate consists of 100 members, two representing each state regardless of population. A senator is elected not by a district, but by a state as a whole. Senators serve for terms of six years each; the terms are staggered so that approximately one-third of the Senate seats are up for election every two years and so that both seats from a given state are never contested in the same general election (except for the first election of Senators upon admission of a new state). The District of Columbia and the territories are not represented in the Senate in any manner.

U.S. Electoral College

Election for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States is indirect, for which voting takes place every four years on Election Day. Although ballots typically list the names of the presidential candidates, voters within the 50 states and the District of Columbia actually choose electors when they vote for President and Vice President. These presidential electors in turn cast the official votes for those two offices. [...]

Each state's electors meet in their respective state capitals in December, 41 days following the election, at which time they cast their electoral votes. Thus the Electoral College never meets as one body. The electoral votes are then sealed and sent to the President of the Senate (i.e. the sitting Vice President of the United States), who retains them until the new Congress convenes in January. At that time, the votes are opened and counted in the presence of both houses of Congress. The candidate who receives a majority of electoral votes for President becomes President, and the candidate who receives a majority of electoral votes for Vice President becomes Vice President.

These are two entirely different bodies with two entirely different functions.

The President of the United States is not elected by Congress, unless a candidate fails to receive a majority of votes in the Electoral College.

Meanwhile, the Electoral College has no legislative powers whatsoever. It exists solely to elect the President and Vice President of the United States.

I hope that clears up any confusion between the two.

posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 08:25 AM
There's still a debate as to whether the Sixteenth Amendment was really ratified...doesn't look like it was.

So income tax is illegal.

posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 10:00 AM

Originally posted by The_Time_is_now
What has The united states come to, when I talk to people about these ideas, they think i am just joking or something, we are brainwashed. The United states is not much of the home of the free, as it is the home of the Uninformed. by the way, I am an american citizen, so dont send me hate mail! thanks.

You don't talk to them in that suit of your avatar do you? I'm not sure I'd take you serious either
Just kidding with you. I agree that this nation is a great nation. I agree that we enjoy some freedoms that others nations long for (the people that is). But a revolt will never happen. We are not the nation of our forefathers. We are a nation of lazy sheeple. We sit and complain like kids all the time and never do anything about it. I tried a few times to gather support for a UFo expedition to finally debunk the hype or prove it exists. What happened, I get warned by the rulz. As I suppose I should have in violation of the rulz. But my point none the less is still valid. Until the people of this great nation are willing to work hard at something, we will never even be able to stand in the shadow of our forefathers much less stand in thier shoes. OGJ out.

posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 09:29 PM
Well this thread has been up fer a lil over a week....Ive posted on it two maybe three times....and including myself, I havent seen one possible solution to the host of problems that we have all laid at our governments feet. THat being said....what can we do?

How can we stop the illegal confinement of millions of americans?
How can we keep OUR money in OUR pokets?
How can we keep our country ours?

By stopping BIG buisness. The Illegal immigration issue. Abortion. Social Security. All of our countries ills can be laid at the feet of big buisness and APATHETIC NON PARTISPATING AMERICANS.

So sorry this is a lil off topic just had to throw it out there...we dont want to be like Rush Limbaugh....

We, ATSers, conspiracy theory nuts, UFO gurus, New is our job to show Joe blow and Jane doe america that there is another way.

And to the bulk of the ATS site....since its not soley a US website....your governments...while they may not be as corrupt(or maybe worse)...need to be kept in check to. The PEOPLES of the world need to stop these THREADS from happening and the only way to do that is to Stand up and Step up to the Global Ruling Elite.

El senor pom pom rides again

posted on Apr, 12 2006 @ 08:53 PM
Ok, maybe not SIMPLE, but there is an answer. Unfortuately this answer requires all of the American people to stand up. First, both parties Democrat and Republican are just corrupt. They may have different views, but both are corrupted just the same.

What it will take is "ALL" of America standing up and telling them to both go to HELL! We need to start a 3rd party. A "Common Sense" party. Where it members use comon sense to solve our problems. We need every Joe and Jane American to go out and vote for these people. The best thing these people will have going for them is that they are not career politicians. Both the Democrat and Republican party are made up of career politicians, whose only job is to hold on to their seat of power. We need to stand up and offer candidates who actually represent the peoples will, then MOST IMPORTANTLY, GO OUT AND VOTE FOR THEM. Until we remove Republicans and Democrats from power, all we will get is more of the same. Pandering to those who will give them the most votes to keep their power. We need to elect new voices. Voices who have no ties to Washington or the Lobbyists. The first thing they need to do, once voted in, is enact term limits, to keep those ties from forming.

The 17th amendment needs to be repealed, giving the choice of Senators back to the states. The States have no representation in our current govt. And the Senators of our current Govt. are nothing more than elitists from both parties who have no clue as to what is happening in the real world. While there are a few who do, it is better to clease the system. It is time the individual staes have a say in what goes on at the federal level.

The 16th amendement should also be repealed. This amendment concerns the income tax. Any and all income taxes should be taxed at a flat rate. Whether you make $100 or $100,000,000 you should be taxed at "X" rate. This way everyone pays their fair share. If those of you, who are kean on soaking it to the rich, then I say...get rid of the IRS, the 16th amendment and pass the "FairTax"...(This is my personal choice.) THe rich will pay more, because they have the money and spend more. The poor, same as the rich, will be reimbursed the tax they pay on necessities. Businesses will pay no tax in the manufacturing of their product...(if you don't think this will bring increible investment into this country, then your nothing but a sh*thead) Only the final product that a business produces will be taxed. You don't want to be taxed, don't buy anything but the necessities of life. Are Joe and Jane American going to be hurt...NO. They will most likely make out. BUt the big Hollywood stars, are going to get hit on the new yacht they buy. The little guy has nothing to lose, and the BIG ROLLERS are going to be paying taxes on all the toys they buy. Why are they going to be buying these toys? Well maybe because, their income isn't taxed and they have the money to do so because of this.

Next problem, The Federal Reserve...GET RID OF IT! The fact that Congress has turned our monetary system over to a group of international bankers is nothing more than TREASONIST!! Those who do not vote to repeal this practice, should be hung for treason.

"Illegal Immigration"...Here is a tough one. Excluding all I have said before, I say deport everyone of the invaders, and forbid them from ever becoming citizens of this country. Now if the above thoughts are enacted.... Still, close off the borders, but open up "LEGAL" immigration to levels unheard of before. With no taxes on business producing their products, we are going to need all the people we can get to fill jobs. Don't get me wrong, this is not "Amnesty", but going through the proper channels, learning "ENGLISH", learning our laws, customs,, and history...I say come on in! Also, for those who say "Illegals" do jobs no American wants...Guess What? I have a solution for that...actually 2.
1) All able bodied persons on welfare will be required to work these jobs. What ever they are paid, will be deducted from their welfare checks. Win-Win...The jobs are getting done, and we reduce the amount spent on welfare. SImple as this...NO WORK, NO CHECK...if you do not like it, then better yourself. (I'm even willing to use tax dollars to promote this)...BUt NO MORE free rides.
2) All minimum security prisioners can do these jobs. They can work time off their sentences...and hopefully (This may be wishful thinking,) Learn about the real world.

This alone will save America BILLLIONS, if not 100's of BILLIONs every year. And guess what? This money is better spent here, than giving it in aid to people who want to see us fall....

It's time we find candidates and more importantly vote in cndidates who believe in "COMMON SENSE" How to do this, I don't know...if I did, I'd be running for President right now. The only way is to get the word out. Reach out to those fed up with the current system of Govt. Get them to put forth, 3rd party candidates who represent their beliefs...AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, GO OUT AND VOTE FOR THESE PEOPLE!

posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 01:08 AM
Our mission is to weed out corruption and run the government the way it was originally intended to run, the way the constitution intended the government to run. WE WILL RETURN THE UNITED STATES TO THE FREE COUNTRY IT USED TO BE!

... unfortunately Im a Canadian... and we dont often have reasons for rebellion... everything up here is pretty cut and dry... and I need a cause! lol.

[edit on 13-4-2006 by johnsky]

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