All right, granted I cannot speak for Christianity as a whole, but who can? The pope of the Catholic church or the prophet of the Mormon one? Of
course, no one can. However, I offer my Christian perspective on the theory of conspiracies involving the illuminate and shape-shifting hybrids, etc.
I am well informed by fellow Christians that they often see me as blasphemous at best, and a complete heretic at worst. Likewise, I am equally
ridiculed by atheists, agnostics, and other unbelievers who claim no religion, or religions other than Christianity, for my spiritual perspective. I
care not. I offer my Christian perspective validating the possible of Icke's theories and others here, not saying I believe them myself but how I can
see it being a possibility and one even validated by religion. You all and Icke himself can point out my errors if you care to.
First, I believe in Almighty God/Jesus Christ, but I believe they definitely had beginnings. I believe we are created in His image physically and
spiritually. I believe we lived spiritually prior to becoming mortally human here and he knew us before he formed us in the womb so to speak.
I do not believe we are his only creations-physically- or spiritually either. I also believe in balance, and evil, and thus I believe in Satan, as
well as 1/3rd of the hosts falling from the grace of God being subject to Satan as his spiritual minions now.
I believe Almighty God has parents and siblings just as He has children. I believe I was His child in the spirit before coming here. I believe in a
spirit and a consciousness and realms and planes of existence. As a child I had many OOBE-which were verifiable to me in ways such as witnessing my
sister doing specific things while I was OOB, which I later learned were true she had been doing. Likewise she confided-without knowing I'd been OOB
near her- that she had felt a distinct presence at the times I had been OOB near her.
I believe God gave us bodies-created our race of humanity in his image-body and soul. I believe he gave dominion of a sort to Satan on Earth and what
makes him so strong and powerful is that Satan uses his knowledge and power of all the alternate universes, and realms which he and other beings can
Now that all being explained, it seems to me that because of this, we know we are certainly not alone in the world, or this universe etc, though
limited in our personal knowledge of dimensions, and realms, and life-forces etc. We are then limited in our understanding of all this may encompass
and imply about other life forms. Be they shape-shifting hybrids or reptilians or not.
It seems not just logical and possible, but quite probable to me that because Satan and his minions were denied physical form in the likeness of the
Father, they still would have a spiritual likeness to Him, and thus a more omnipotent intelligence particular to them for which we are denied while we
are tried and tested in mortality -in human form.
So, besides being intelligent spiritual beings, they have knowledge that exceeds ours- of our nature, the worlds, the truths, etc...and form in which
they are not limited in- or by- as we are in our mortal form. Of course this is to their advantage, and their goal as we know from a religious
perspective is to control us.
It is an accepted belief in Christianity to know there was a war in Heaven. This war was over us. Satan wanted to rule us, control us completely from
the very beginning. He wanted to be as our God. Jesus said we should not be controlled, but allowed to experience choice and free will. Satan was cast
from Heaven for wanting to be like God-but given power and authority on Earth, even unto the tempting of, and attempting to control, mankind.
So the idea that there are sinister forces who want to control us is nothing new. The idea of a good mind screw is also nothing new. It can be done
psychologically, or spiritually, or both. Affecting our physical minds and thoughts and feelings as well as our spiritual sensitivities. Deception is
rampant in all realms, as is confusion and disagreement even where full knowledge is available-else there would have been no war in heaven, and 1/3 of
the hosts would not have fallen with Satan. They were led away by his logic, his passion, his deceptiveness. What easier prey are we know when we do
not even have full knowledge anymore as mere mortals?
These beings would sometimes want to obtain physical bodies I'm sure-either through possession of those here, or possession of some others elsewhere.
So while shape-shifting would seem to defy our known laws of physics, it may not defy the laws of physics of other worlds that are not bound by our
universal physical laws.
What I am getting at, is while some will be quick to say "No human can shape-shift" they are missing the point that a reptilian-like being, formed
of matter not bound by all matter we know of which is bound by our known laws, could come here and shape-shift to look human. Yes, even though it
would seem to have to conform to our physical laws being here, it simply isn't the case if made of organic material not from here to begin with.
Of course there is also the theory that it is all a mind screw illusion as well, and no actual shape-shifting is happening and really, its just a
human image being projected to our eyes/mind, right? Well, I'd have to think many beings would be adept at the mind screw technique, so it's a
Whether reptilians are real or not, I cannot say of course-who can. But I do believe there are many realms with many life forces and I believe they
have visited us easily and consistently in various ways and forms since the beginning of time on Earth. Some spiritual some physical and spiritual.
Some perhaps evil, some Satanic even, and many others who are not.
After all, even Christians, nay I'd say especially Christians should realize there must be other realms. If you are going to die, be reunited with
your body which is made in the image of God, thus being more fully made in His image being made immortal then, if that is the plan...where do you
suppose "Heaven" is?
It can't just be a state of mind...a state of spiritual being...where does your immortal physical perfected body you are promised live in the
presence of the Almighty God in the hereafter? WHERE? Where is Heaven? Where is God now? There must be a difference of being in the presence of the
omnipresent spirit of God as we are on Earth, and being in his physical presence, as well as those who are cast out from his presence...where are
Do not give me vague answers of He is "everywhere" that is nonsense to me, while accurate that His presence and His Holy Spirit coexists with us and
thus He is omnipresent in spirit, He still exists physically somewhere. As does Jesus. Where is Christ?
Jesus Christ died on the cross, was resurrected, and ascended to Heaven-PHYSICALLY. He disappeared-physically. After he proved in the flesh he was
alive-he then, in the flesh, an immortal being, departed ascended unto our Father in Heaven. He did not appear as a spirit, or a winged angel, nor did
he depart as one.
So, where did the immortal and physical Jesus go?
Where is God, Jesus, and Heaven? Satan, demons, and hell?
We can say Hell is a spiritual realm, and Satan and his minions, those demons, are spiritual beings in an invisible spiritual realm on Earth, but
explain that too then.
If Satan is in Hell, if Satan comes to earth and tempts us, if demons are real...where are they? OK, "Hell" but where is Hell? It is a spiritual
realm...it has a door if they can get to us, influence us, tempt us...etc...so there they are...in another world, another realm, yet in contact with
us...how is that? Hmmmm...ever wonder?
Other dimensions, other realms, other planes, or existence, other beings. Seems logical to me, and supported by religion even!
Where is Heaven and where is Hell? it isn't in your head or heart...it is a place...God/Jesus is physically in His place...and Satan spiritually in
his...but...how many other places are there? How many other beings? Physical, spiritual, those that can move between the two...and between all sorts
of realms and planes. OOBE anyone?
And what is so wrong with the picture of Heaven as a place like a planet? Like the perfected Earth could be envisioned. If so envisioned...if God came
to us, or angels, from there would we consider them "aliens"...what of our brother and sister races? Be they, and their planets and places of
habitation be physical or spiritual, of this world or out of it, of other dimensions etc...are they aliens?
Or would aliens be more like the beings created by another creator entirely?
Yes, we have but one God, The almighty God, the author and finisher of OUR faith, and the alpha and omega of OUR existence and HIS world...this
world...but what of before he had the full potential of God of us?
Or what of others who likewise are the author and finisher of THEIR faiths and their children/creations' faith, the alpha and omega of the world they
There are other beings, other worlds, other dimensions, and because there is good and evil their are conspiracies and competition to control the
creations of God, and Christians of all people should know that, knowing Satan and the lure of evil and the mind screw of deception. Christians should
ask themselves where evil originated. What or who, whispered in Satan's ear to lead him astray? Other forces, other dimensions, other existence's,
other beings, other worlds created by other creators.
How is that blasphemy if I do not worship those gods, nor acknowledge them as gods, not for this or any world created by God, but view Him as he has
commanded- as our father, creator, one and only God, alpha and omega, and author and finisher of our faith, etc.
Oh what a slothful, boring, lazy God is the one you suppose could only conceive of creating one race, one Earth, one realm, for one purpose, and who
looks forward to bringing you into immortal eternity only for your potential and intelligence to come to a screeching halt, so you can then
submissively sing praises to him ceaselessly for eternity in a "Heaven" you cannot even explain or imagine, but believe in.
But who am I kidding, probably not a lot of Christians reading along, huh?
OK, that's MHO in a nutshell of how Christianity, and my religious and spiritual views seem to logically validate Icke and others ideas- if it made
any sense to anyone other than me! I imagine since I've heard Icke is such a mocker of a religion, he himself wont acknowledge the Christian
perspective I give...but then again, he could be part of the evil fear-spreading conspiracy.
(****edited to correct spelling/typos...hope I got them all...otherwise I'm sure Spittin Cobra will let me know! No, seriously, thanks man, it
was sloppy of me****)
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