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Originally posted by The time lord
What is more powerful reading minds or seeing the future? Or actual contact with God who will not interfer with world events but let you know he is there?
If you have 50'000 visions then someone is trying to speak to you to get your attention hope you look in the right place or its a Holy gift and not negative.
[edit on 7-3-2006 by The time lord]
Originally posted by HS
I was describing my awake visions, about 50,000 of them as either holograph like or solid looking. Both types moved.
Originally posted by HS
I think there may be a little confusion in your last post regarding this. Discernment is indeed a great gift. Perhaps it would not have to be so used if someone like David Blaine turned sand in the palms of your hands to coins.
Originally posted by HS
I am not going to take the time in the near future to research Baba and Blaine.
Originally posted by HS
I have been researching Emanuel Swedenborg lately and his mistake was believing the messages he received were from God, not from telepathic mankind.
Originally posted by HS
Your gift of discernment is from mankind also, not from God.
Originally posted by HS
If it were from God you would know what the questions people are going to ask you before they asked.
Originally posted by HS
This true of Menguard also. Your answers come from the collective consciousness of mankind.
Originally posted by HS
However both you and Menguard show considerable skill and style in answering questions, so does Toralyn and a few others here, Blackguard among them.
Originally posted by HS
I still caution anyone relying on a telepathic input for answers to make decisions in everyday life. What may be right for a hundred people may not be right for you.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
In the DVD, Blaine does his body levitation feat a number of times. The television version of this segment included a time when he did it on a roadway and became ill. So ill that he literally crumbled to the grass in pain. That wasn't faked. There is no reason to fake that. I know from experience that telekinetic energies can cause that to happen.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
No reason to fake it??? How about the millions of dollars he makes from selling his magic??? If all of your proof is just your feeling that he wouldnt fake it - then I have to say that your argument is pretty weak.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
In his DVD there is a segment whereby he goes to a street person and asks him, "If you could wish for anything you want, what would it be?" The man replied that he would like to win the lottery.
David Blaine then brings the man to a convenience store and gives him money to buy a scratch ticket for a lottery. The man, dubious of what this is leading up to, goes in and buys the ticket. David Blaine then has the man scratch the ticket. Lo and behold, the man wins - or at least appears to from the winning ticket.
Still dubious, the next scene is the street-person in line at lottery headquarters. His winnings are counted to him from the teller, totaling well over a thousand dollars.
You can practice magic for decades and still not have a Gift of Magick to be able to pull any of the above off.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Ok - first of all you only saw this on a DVD, so you would have only seen what he wanted you to see. Theres a great segment off a show that has David Blaine Bloopers. He tries his mind reading trick numerous times - AND FAILS.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
It also shows a lot of the preparation that go into his tricks. You know his - throw the card through the window trick? Doesnt look so great when you see his assistant hiding inside the restaurant with a deck of cards ready to stick the appropriate card (after seeing which one he pulls out) to the window - from inside the shop.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Again, If you are constructing your argument on David Blaine DVD's I would seriously urge you to do some more research.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
There are more handsome and more skilled and more entertaining illusionists out there who cannot duplicate their feats on city sidewalks.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Sorry you're wrong there - as has been mentioned before, just about anybody with the skill and determination can do those tricks. Ive seen the Levitation trick done heaps of times. Yes it looks impressive the first time but after that its just kinda lame.
Originally posted by Paul_RichardAnother telekinetic feat that Blaine does in his DVD is to bring an animal back to life. He goes for a walk in a park with a bird enthusiast (and a pet bird) and comes across a dead pigeon. This bird was not stunned; it was dead. I've seen a number of dead birds in my day and this one fit the bill. Blaine is wearing a T-shirt. Nothing to pull a live bird out from. He picks up the bird, gently strokes it and it slowly comes back to life and then flies away.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Please excuse my disbelief - you can identify wether the pidgeon is dead or not - from a DVD? That sounds like magic right there.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Magicians have been manipulating animals - especially birds for centuries.
Originally posted by Paul_RichardDavid Blaine walks up to another street-person and takes in his hands the cup of coffee that the man is holding in front of him. Without removing the cup but holding it at the same place, the coffee in the cup turns into US currency which he gives to the street-person (who humorously breaks out into song). If you look closely, you can actually see the coffee transform into coins. No sleight of hand. Blaine's hands never leave the cup.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
I'll say it again - ITS A DVD! You only see what David Blaine wants you to see. Do you honeslty believe that if he could turn coffee into coins he would waste his time 'levitating' on street corners? Or that someone in the US government might not have got wind of it and though "Hmm we better stop that Blaine fella turning all our Nescafe into quarters..."
Originally posted by Ezekiel
Sorry for the rant - and sorry to seem like I'm trying to shatter your illusion, but like the site says, DENY IGNORANCE
Originally posted by HS
There is no Gift of Incarnate Saints that can discern this knowledge.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Quite so within the genre of stage illusion.
But only if preparation is made in advance.
Now let's see someone do it for a street person and a non-rigged cup.
Oh...that's right...it has already been done.
By none other than David Blaine.
Anytime you wish to accompany me to Washington, DC and go up to a street person and duplicate this feat without a trick coffee cup, I'm up to the job.
Are you?
I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by Antony_Tony
Awww Ezekiel at the start of your last post i was ready to give YOU the answers you wrote untili realised u were shooting someone down. By the way, the levitation trick IS CRAP. I can do it, u simply stand on the ball of one foot, and when he does it 5 foot high hes on wires infront of ppl dresseed like the people in the street. and then they use the reactioneers reactions (makes no sense i know) like cut sequences. Hes a trickster not a paranormal prophet or anything.
Originally posted by HS
Originally posted by The time lord
What is more powerful reading minds or seeing the future? Or actual contact with God who will not interfer with world events but let you know he is there?
If you have 50'000 visions then someone is trying to speak to you to get your attention hope you look in the right place or its a Holy gift and not negative.
[edit on 7-3-2006 by The time lord]
I hope I have not quoted more than I am suppose too, but this series of sentences intrigues me. What is with the idea one form of paranormal ability is more powerful than another?
Explain yourself, if you please.
The time lord, reply:
The whole idea is on a scale of what I originally posted who is the most employable or useful if lets say the army needs you. But it depends also what purpose suppose. A mind reader could stop a world leader from nuclear war. Or a future seeing talant could tell you where the bombs will hit or are placed. Or a communicator with God can save millions of followers in spirit. Also there are both dark forces and good that can contribute to certain talants. People can be healed by the power of fallen Angles that go against the belief and teachings of God. Maybe God can help gift a counteract to these false teachings and practices.
HS QUOTE:
No one tries to speak to me, I translate feelings received telepathically into word(s) and sentences to better understand myself and relate to others' actions in real life situations. I could be deceived like many and think that these words are from an angel of God. However in the labels people give people I do not think anyone would call me an angel of God. NO these emotions that come in are from living people. And I do think that most people would describe emotions as God. You have called God a he, obviously females have emotions also.
The time lord/ reply
Also I understand the point here above but the Bible from what i read says that you need to test God him self rather than accepting anything. If these talants are not from him then who by? and the Bible does show this as an example. As Moses did when had a Staff (stick) he could turn it into a snake. Exodus 4 and 7. So the magicians did the same in front of the Pharaoh but Moses Staff(stick) which turned into a snake ate the magicains staff which turned into snakes and the Pharaoh became angry.
Moses had more power over them even if it was just for that case.
HS QUOTE:
I'm not sure if your belief system can handle this, but consider it. What if every mention of visions, including revelations, was caused by peoples collective consciousness being picked up by one person? That in fact, no one of this world has ever been in contact with God until after their death.
The time lord/ reply
I have no problem with peoples people's opinions about faith so I can handle most things and easy going.
The Bible does say there has been contact with God and people can interact, just have to believe and ask depending how deep you go to reach that level, sometimes maybe God wants you and awakens you to him. I know where I get my tricks from, not by man not by evil but by God as I have tested him to be sure. Not sure if its limited to me on a personal scale because we all need individual faith to know him or answer us. It may or may not work for you. I can not heal we are no longer supposed to anyone that does for another person is being decieved from the teaching. My signs are big on scale even out side of the earth God will show. But like to keep discreet its a personal relationship with him as others need to find him not me for answers.
HS QUOTE:
And in fact no one can even come close to describing the majesty of spiritual Heaven even using this Heaven on earth as a basis? That all hell is, is just a bunch of people essentially whinning that they don't like the body their eternal spirit has been placed in and wish to get rid of it and return to the way they were before being born? For it is written some people would be better off never having been born, what if that included all but the very few? What faith do you have in the power of people and what faith do you have in the power of God? ME personally, I am still questing for answers to these questions and may find no answers till the day I enter spiritual Heaven without my body. Until then I will be content with sending off telepathic vibrations. At this point in time, those are curiousity, hpe and happiness
The time lord/ reply
I think you have Holy Spirit detection and maybe in tune to how God works his ways with seeing the signs but not sure what the are. Yes you say the same for me also but I am more in tune to being certain rather than guessing it could be this or that, yours based without evidence without scripture to back it up. Have a go ask who you are speaking to is it God? Maybe I can test you in my own way but maybe have to speak face to face to do so not sure.
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