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Topic started on 14-2-2006 @ 04:13 PM by HowardRoark
I have a question for you conspiracy believers on two separate accounts of time lines.

David Lim

I felt the bldg shake. I left Sirius in his kennel & responded to the mezzanine of #1 WTC to assist people coming out of the "A" stairwell. I saw bodies falling onto the Plaza & realized that I was needed on the upper floors. I proceeded up the stars giving encouragement & calming the fears of the people coming down. Those that were seriously injured I assigned to healthy personnel, directing them to the triage area. On the 27th floor, I met a man in a wheelchair with a friend. They were waiting for the crowd to clear before attempting a descent. I left them with FDNY personnel & proceeded up the "B" stairwell. This switch of stairwells later proved to be my lifesaving decision. Upon my arrival on the 44th floor, I started evacuating those on the floor towards my stairway. I heard an explosion & as I looked to my left, a fireball blew out the windows, knocking us to the ground. I knew now that we were under attack & proceeded down the stairway with my people. On the way down, we cleared floors of any remaining employees.



William Rodriguez

They continued to ascend to the 39th floor. This is as far as William got before he was turned back by the firefighters. As he began his descent he heard the plane hit the south tower.



Now my question is this:

Are these two accounts following the same time line? In other words, did Rodriguez and Lim both climb 39 and 44 floors respectively in the 15 to 20 minutes between the first and the second plane impact?

Was the fireball that Lim saw on the 44th floor, the impact of the second plane?


What do you think?


[edit on 14-2-2006 by HowardRoark]

[edit on 14-2-2006 by HowardRoark]


reply posted on 14-2-2006 @ 10:32 PM by HowardRoark
He is a little clearer in these two interviews:

"I'm not very articulate, so bear with me. It was 08:45 hrs when the first plane struck the North Tower. I locked my dog, Sirius, in his kennel and proceeded to the Plaza of #1 WTC to assist in evacuation. I noted a body that had either jumped or was thrown out a higher floor. I had never seen anything like this in my life. While calling in the DOA, another body landed 50 ft from the first. I was advised of multiple aided on the upper floors and proceeded up the "B" staircase. I stopped on the 27th floor to assist and sat with FDNY to rest before we continued. They were wearing full bunker gear & hauling a lot of equipment. I called Diane (my wife) and told her I was all right.

I made it to the 44th floor skylobby and while I directed people to the stairway, I saw the 2nd plane strike the South Tower. I was knocked off my feet by the concussion. I quickly gathered the remaining people and the firemen, and headed back down the stairs. On the way we encountered some elderly & physically handicapped persons. The fireman began dropping their equipment and carrying them down. On the 21st floor I saw three other officers and was advised of the collapse of the South Tower. We assisted another aided and kept moving down. On the 5th floor I found a Battalion Chief trying to help an injured woman. I stopped to help and we got to the 4th floor when the North Tower collapsed on top of us. Myself, six firemen from Ladder 6 and Josephine survived, only suffering minor injuries.”

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because it was now the closest
stairwell to get up. While I was there, there were still people coming down,
somewhat confused, because there were stoppages from people trying to
come by. But I just kept on telling everybody, “Down is good, keep going
down.” Because they were concerned when they saw me going up.
So right away they think, “Well he’s going up, why are we going down?” And
I remember getting up to the forty-fourth floor just as Tower Two got hit.
And the concussion knocked me to the ground and blew out some windows.

That’s when I realized that it was no longer an accident. Before that point,
most of us had felt that even though we knew it was an airplane, we couldn’t
conceive of the idea that it was done on purpose, even though it was a very
clear day

Link



[edit on 15/2/06 by JAK]


reply posted on 15-2-2006 @ 05:29 AM by Valhall
Well, I'm sorry to see the change (or clarification) in his account because now it makes him look a bit of the fibber....OR, some one who has made an erroneous conclusion as to what knocked him down.

From the NIST official documents (by the way, this first pdf is the one that finally convinced me these buildings most likely didn't fall solely due to the plane impact). All pics are from NIST docs. In this first one I've put a red line to denote the approximate location of the 44th floor of WTC 1.

wtc.nist.gov...



Mr. Lim was more than 300 feet below the impact zone of the second plane into WTC 2. But that's not where the problem with his account ends. From the same source...



Please note the above is an accurate depiction of the relative positions of the 2 towers to one another.

The second plane hit at an angle on the southeast side of the south face of WTC 2 and exited through the northeast side of the east face.

To further show the containment of the plane and fireball, we'll switch to the "final final" pdf from Mr. Shyam Sunder, also on the NIST website.

wtc.nist.gov...



Here we see the fireball only exited (as we all have seen in the videos) through the southern and eastern faces of WTC 2. (A slight amount may have come out of the eastern side of the north face.)

So not only was Mr. Lim over 300 feet below the impact zone of the second plane, he was in the opposite direction of where the fireball and debris exited WTC 2.

I'm afraid whatever blew the windows out of the 44th floor of WTC 1 and knocked Mr. Lim on his behind was NOT the second plane hitting WTC 2.


[edit on 2-15-2006 by Valhall]
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