Somethings not right here

Putin beefs up missile capacity. This is interesting in and of its self, view entire areticle here:

www.washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/2003

Then add this to the mix, Russia warns NATO it may re-evaluate nuclear stance, view entire article here:

www.spacewar.com

What's your take, I got a feeling something just isn't right in happy land.

*15,15*
I'm guessing he's going to go finish what he started in Afganistahn...
Good find curious.
I like it when members mix new together and uncover plots.
That's what its all about, eh?

Seriously though, It'll be Chechnya probably...
- Tass *40*

Hm....dunno.

But, Russia may be starting to get nervous,k with the west building up and surrounding it.

We have them surrounded, with eastern Europe trying to join the west and being sympathetic to us. We have Iraq and afghanistan to the south, with the former central asian sivet republics being friendly towards the west.

Russia finding out something that we dont know?

Let's try this...

www.washingtontimes.com...

Ignore that link...couldn't seem to find a story about this anywhere on their site...???

and

www.spacewar.com



Russia being buddy buddy with Saudi, now beefing up nuke production?

*cues REM song...."Its the end of the world as we know it...its the end of...."*

[Edited on 3-10-2003 by Gazrok]

Thanks Gazrok, I'm still quite new at this.

No biggie...glad to help, but I couldn't see anything about it in the first link...they may have changed it on ya...

Yup, they changed it but with a little searching I was able to locate the article:

Putin beefs up missile capacity

MOSCOW, Oct. 3 (UPI) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered dozens of multi-warhead SS-19 intercontinental ballistic missiles into combat duty, a report said Friday.

"I am speaking here about the most menacing missiles, of which we have dozens, with hundreds of warheads," Putin told a gathering of top commanders and Kremlin officials at Defense Ministry headquarters.

Putin said the SS-19s would be put on duty to phase out hundreds of Soviet-era ICBMs that have aged beyond repeatedly extended service lives. Such replacements would give the defense industry breathing space to develop new systems, he said.

Putin and U.S. President George Bush signed the so-called Moscow Treaty last May that requires the two countries to cut the number of warheads on combat duty to between 1,700 and 2,200 a side. It allows both countries to store, rather than dismantle the warheads.

In a separate development, a Defense Ministry paper warned Russia might have to revise its plans for military reform and nuclear defense strategy if NATO did not drop what it termed its "anti-Russian orientation."

The second link was also gone so I've cut and pasted this article as well I hope that's okay:

Russia warns NATO it may re-evaluate nuclear stance

MOSCOW (AFP) Oct 02, 2003
Russia abruptly warned NATO on Thursday that it will re-evaluate its nuclear missile strategy should the Cold War-era body remain a military alliance with an "offensive" doctrine.
And Moscow added to its sudden military bravado when Defense Ministry Sergei Ivanov told the country's top brass that Russia retained the right to stage pre-emptive strikes against other countries under certain circumstances.

Ivanov's comments only confirmed Russia's existing military doctrine.

But the tough talk was jarring because it came only days after Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart George W. Bush held a Camp David summit in which the two men reaffirmed their personal friendship and let their old dispute over Iraq drop.

Russia's military command appeared far more hawkish.

"Should NATO remain a military alliance with its current offensive military strategy, this will prompt a fundamental reassessment of Russia's military planning and arms procurement," said an internal document released by Russia's defense ministry.

This re-evaluation will include "changes to Russia's nuclear strategy," the document said, without spelling out how Russia's approach to nuclear weapons could change.

Russia and the United States agreed in May 2002 to slash their nuclear arsenals by two-thirds to between 1,700 and 2,200 warheads over the next decade.

Moscow has established warmer relations with NATO over the past two years and has joined a special Russia-NATO Council where it enjoys a broad advisory role, but no veto power.

But the Russian defense ministry -- which often expresses more hardline views than President Vladimir Putin's administration -- said it still regarded NATO as a threat as the alliance eyes expansion into former Soviet republics in the Baltic region -- Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

"Russia is carefully following NATO's transformation, and expects it to put a complete end to direct and indirect elements of its anti-Russian policy, which includes its military planning," the document said.

The ministry demanded that anti-Russian sentiments were also removed from the "political declarations" of NATO member state.

Meanwhile, Putin issued an unusual warning while attending a meeting of the defense ministry's top brass in Moscow.

"I would like to inform you about what the defense minister, chief of general staff and the head of the Russian strategic rocket division already know," Putin told his military audience.

"Russia has a significant supply of heavy strategic rockets," Putin said in reference to the UR-100 N (NATO classification SS-19) that can carry up to six nuclear warheads.

"We are talking about the most threatening rockets, and we have tens of them, with hundreds of warheads," news agencies quoted the president as saying.

Putin said those rockets had never been put on military alert.

But another senior military official said they could become the backbone of Russia's nuclear deterrence system for the next three decades.

It was not immediately clear why Putin decided to say publicly for the first time that Russia had these rockets in reserve.

The Russian defense minister for his part told the same meeting that Russia must be prepared to fight simultaneous wars on two fronts and resort to pre-emptive strikes should events warrant, just like the United States.

"We cannot absolutely rule out the pre-emptive use of force if this is dictated by Russia's interests or its commitments to allies," Ivanov said.

Again I say somethings not right with this.










[Edited on 4-10-2003 by Curiousone]

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
...We have them surrounded, with eastern Europe trying to join the west and being sympathetic to us...

Funny...I thought that Europe was where Bush, his "shadow goverment" & the NWO has been getting their "orders" from...

"We cannot absolutely rule out the pre-emptive use of force if this is dictated by Russia's interests or its commitments to allies," Ivanov said.


So....Who are Russia's allies?

Originally posted by DaRAGE
"We cannot absolutely rule out the pre-emptive use of force if this is dictated by Russia's interests or its commitments to allies," Ivanov said.


So....Who are Russia's allies?

China, India, Iran.. Arabs in general..

More than 2/3 of the world.. (people)

Originally posted by FULCRUM

Originally posted by DaRAGE
"We cannot absolutely rule out the pre-emptive use of force if this is dictated by Russia's interests or its commitments to allies," Ivanov said.


So....Who are Russia's allies?

China, India, Iran.. Arabs in general..

More than 2/3 of the world.. (people)

FINLAND

WEll this is what i'm guessing.

I'm guessing that since Bush's Crew invaded Iraq and lots of Accusations are flying around concerning Iran, etc, That if the USA invades another country and disrupts things such as oil for Russia and the rest of the world as they would, if one of those countries is Russias ally, then Russia will step in and say to the USA "Back off, we keep our ally commitments. If you invade or pre-emptive strike them, It's going to be all out war."

Yes i heard somewhere that someone predicted that russia would strike out at china and the middle east etc and i think posssibly ewurope and what does america do just carries on as usual.
Might be a load of old twoddle.