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Quashing of Speculativity

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posted on Feb, 3 2006 @ 09:46 PM

Are there Government Agencies devoted to disinformation with regard to conspiracy theories?

The U.S. Government supports classified/black projects. There is no debate about that, I would hope.

It is highly probable that small bits of information would leak out, even if just from a few of these projects. To deny this is lunacy. What I was wondering, was if there are groups of people, call them what you will - directorates, divisions, taskforces, whatever - from agencies such as the CIA, FBI, NSA and DoD in particular, that actively engage in stamping out or diverting public attention away from any speculation on true conspiracy/project theories.

Are there or is there evidence of these groups existing? Because they sure have a good reason to exist, don't they?

They would, in my opinion, operate by trawling through all sorts of information sources, but focusing mainly on hubs of activity where lots of these theories come together, usually on the web these days. Remind you of anywhere? They would then, if a proposed theory was true, go about discrediting it, and abusing anyone who showed interest. Remind you of anything?

Yes, ats would be a perfect place for these people. Perfect.

53, 413 members, all collecting evidence of conspiracies and black projects from all possible sources, web, word of mouth, newspapers, books, from all over the world, as well as about 3, 000 visitors at any one time, all wondering if they should post their theory.

It would even be a top notch place to test out cover stories.

From what I have seen and read, this has only rarely been glossed over, but even if my little theory is not true, surely there would be federal employees trawling this site, conducting a very similar job, to move incriminating or unwanted posts off the first page, away from the speculation they are sure to incur. Or they could be conducting tests to see how observant the public is, to see how quickly we pick up on invented 'leaks,' or to see what sort of speculation we conjure up.

I would like to hear peoples opinions, flames, comments or observations.

And please keep this post in mind whenever your good idea is suddenly shunted off and away.

posted on Feb, 5 2006 @ 11:51 PM
what youre proposing is possible, but I really dont think they would be actually doing things to posts to get them to go back. That would mean that they would have to be moderators, and the mods on this site got there by posting good stuff.

But I totally agree with you on the point of at least monitoring the site.

posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 10:40 PM
Since I am unable to edit, here is a link to a website that claims is run by the government.

Rather interesting, I must say. ng-abovetopsecret/

The fact that it correctly or not identifies SimonGray as a war journalist who worked on disinformation campaigns in Iraq for the U.S. Government is pretty interesting. Mr. Bailey, anything to add to that?

Also, the site is Australian. Aussie Aussie Aussie, oi oi oi!

And yeah, thanks Sovtek. You may be right. But a lot of what is on this site is complete shuckle. Who knows what those guys posted to get where they are. I can not be bothered tracing up their posting histories.

edit: spellnig, again.

[edit on 17/2/2006 by watch_the_rocks]

posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 06:05 AM

Originally posted by Sovtek
what youre proposing is possible, but I really dont think they would be actually doing things to posts to get them to go back. That would mean that they would have to be moderators, and the mods on this site got there by posting good stuff.

But I totally agree with you on the point of at least monitoring the site.

Watchtherocks has a point. Very often, after seeing a page of very intriguing topics, a relatively new poster will just come in starting thread-after-thread, posting garbage. They make bold claims, they often come across as very young with poor expression and copying / pasting their info from all kinds of odd sources and basically make no sense at all.

These 'junk' threads push all the worthy topics off the radar.. and sometimes the more worthy topic is 'killed' by a silly remark, for good measure. I often wonder if this is by design.

[edit on 18-2-2006 by RiotComing]

posted on Feb, 19 2006 @ 09:56 PM
To add a little here:
It is not inconceivable for this to occur, in fact I'll say it's likely. But in all honesty, we must all admit that probably 75% of what goes on in ATS is either simple nonsense, theories without proof of any kind or an excuse to use ATS as a sound board for a political party.
(The PTS forum seems run at times by Ted Kenneddy and John Kerry)
But never forget the power of stupid people, they wrote the tax codes.
Consider that a lot of posts are one liners simply meant to flame or they sound ignorant because the writer truly is.
There is a debate in Washington University about a monument to George "Pappy" Boyington, a WWII Marine Corps ace who survived 20 months in a Japanese POW camp and who shot down 28 Japanese fighter planes.
In the debate, someone stood up and shouted that we already have too many monuments to rich white people in this country. That person was stupid: Boyington wasn't white, he was Sioux Indian, and he was never rich...soldiers never are.
So don't forget the power of stupid people in mass numbers, visit ATS often enough and you'll more than get you're fill of them.


posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 12:51 AM
Naturally these groups could exist. But would the government waste time on a site like this that, no offense, seems geared toward the X-Files fringe? I don't think the reptilian threat to humanity really shows up on the FBI's radar screen.

(Note: I *love* stories about the reptilians and the underground base below Denver International Airport. Priceless! End note.)

US disinformation efforts should be focused on BBSes used by terrorists to recruit new followers. Sites used by terrorists to trade credit card numbers and tips on getting European visas could be targeted by US government hackers. Child porn rings and hacker forums would be viable targets. Maybe anti-globalist anarachist forums should be targeted so vulnerable high school kids don't start vandalizing SUVs, etc.

You make a notable point. However, lets not be overly suspicious of anyone like me who posts skeptical responses. Just because I scoff at the notion of reptilians co-opting our government doesn't mean I'm typing this post from the basement of Area 51.

Or am I?

posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:17 AM

Posted by MEF
Or am I?


Well, yes, of course the government should be going out to hunt all those things you mentioned, and more; but with the billions going into that machine, surely there must be something or other that's involved with the monitoring of websites like this?

And I stand with you on Denver Airport. I've spent ages reading up on that. There's definitely something going on, something involving a secret underground military base, perhaps.

edit: fixing being an idiot.

[edit on 20/2/2006 by watch_the_rocks]

posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 10:33 PM
Wait a'd you guys find out about Denver? Oh, Christ! Now I have to call the Cancer Man and have you guys "dissapeared", and damn, this was such a nice day too.

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