U.S. spying on Americans who disagree with Bush policies

Its already to late warrior people are to complacent watching american idol while cramming fists full of dorritos into their pie holes to do crap about.[I guiltly say as I snack and type] They have been controlling us for years man. You dont see nudity in our soap operas do you?

Hello Friends:

Yes, I do have to agree with you. I have seen with my own eyes
how if you ask in a political rally(Bush) a question that could
embarass the speker or the President, the question will be answer
but then you'll be escorted out. That is just one of our freedoms that
are desapiring.

Bushco. reeks of Stalinistic totalitarinism.

comes to conclusions with no proof.

No proof of snooping was ever given.

on that note I saw democrats going through my garbage , so they are violating my rights!

I say vote Constitution Party!

For all I know I might be watched. I haven't seen any strange vehicles, though (probably because the corner I live on, no parking allowed on any of those streets). The only helicopters around here are the ones going back and forth from the local hospital to Cleveland or wherever. Plenty of people around here have private planes, so there are plenty of those around--there's a small airport in this county for them.

I just go on with my life. I'm your average housewife and mother, but hardly a sheep.

Originally posted by ferretman2
comes to conclusions with no proof.

No proof of snooping was ever given.

on that note I saw democrats going through my garbage

, so they are violating my rights!

You'd better take a good long look at our Bill of Rights--specifically the Fourth Amendment!

Originally posted by redhat
He claims that agents went through garbage, read emails
and listened to private conversations.

Going through garbage isn't against the law.

What proof did he give of his accusations that the government
was reading emails and listening to private conversations?

PROOF?

That some information stored on computers wasn't there?
So what? A worker could have not hit 'save'. A worker might
have hit the wrong button. THe computer could have a virus.

If a government person secretly looked on a computer to
get information he/she wouldn't have deleted that information.
He/she would have copied that info onto another disk, but
he/she wouldn't have deleted it. That would have been a
tip off.

I'm not buying this 'we were spied on' story.

Originally posted by warriorwolfpr
I have seen .... you ask in a political rally(Bush) a question that could
embarass the speker or the President, the question will be answer
but then you'll be escorted out.

1 - I have never seen a political rally that allowed people to ask
questions of the president. The ones I have been to had Bush
giving a speech and then leaving. No questions allowed. The
ones I see on TV are the same. No questions from the people
who are there.

'Town Hall' meetings are different. Is that what you ment?

2 - If you think that scripting questions in a 'Town Hall' meeting
is something that only Bush has done ... think again. Clinton
did it. Hillary will do it. No one gets to ask what they really
want in those. It's all theatrics... for both Dems and Republicans.

I've been suspicious of things going on around my house lately...I might just be paranoid, but it seems really too much for just coincidence.

1. random cellular interference on my computer speakers. The same kind that happens when your cell phone rings, but the only problem is that my cell phone isn't ringing when it happens.

2. Every night for about a week & a half, my dog would wake us up growling at about 3am...just a deep low growl like she heard something in the house.

3. I've been finding burnt cigarete butts next to my garage every morning...when I mentioned it to my girlfriend (in our bedroom) the cigarette butts had disappeared the next morning. Other trash that had been around prior to that hadn't disappeared, so you know it wasnt wind that did it.

4. The land-line phone started getting really static-filled to the point where you couldnt hear anything. I called the phone company to fix it and they said they'd send someone on Thursday...well on Wednesday I get a call from a "phone tech" saying he was at the end of the building fixing the line. I hadn't answered the phone...he left a message on my machine. I went outside a few minutes later & there was no phone company vehicle anywhere to be seen. I returned to my house & he called about 15 minutes later saying the line was fixed, but that if I ever had any more problems I should page him directly & he left a number. Half an hour later I got a call from the phone company confirming the appointment for the next day!

5. My girlfriend & I joked about the NSA wiretaps, and within a minute our phone was ringing. No one was on the other end of the line. We have also heard messages on our machine where the recording of "your call cannot be completed as dialed" comes on...what the F**CK???

Anyone have any advice...suggestions...etc?

I've been photographed at a few protest rallies...anti-Bush, anti-war, etc. I have never done anything other than march though...this is insane...it's making me wonder if I'm just insane, or if there is really something to this.

e-mail me if you have advice. [email protected]

[edit on 3-3-2006 by SubBass49]

Hey to play Devils Advocate for the Bushies, what credibility does this Truth group have? They could be a P.O. Box with a non-existent phone number, or an 800 # that could be routed to anywhere?

Do we believe it at face value, or are we so inclined to hate our current leadership in America that (IT) must be true.

Wake-up people, political spin exists in all parties.

Man Bites Dog...Dog Bites Man, take that picture from 3 angles. 1 side shows a certain perspective, another a different perspective, and the 3rd angle they were biting each other at the same time.

Thanks,

-ADHDsux4me

Flyers Fan, I do agree with what you say, the only thing is, you do need a warrant to go through someones personal trash. A public dumpster, you dont need one. We were talking about this in our Police Operations class the other day. The only way you could search personal garbage without a warrant is if you are using a trash can provided by the city waste management dept. Which is what is used in Charlotte, and probably just for this reason. Less hassle claiming evidence in a criminal case, though anything you find in the trash could be argued to be inadmiciple due to evidence contamination. Just clearing that up.

And on topic, yes it does seem like some more coming to conclusions without reason to do so. The senate committee on intel. was briefed in on this. It has dems. on repubs. on it. If so many in congress are worried why wasnt it brought up then. Its not until the spotlight came on it that those who say this is illegal got in an uproar about it. Its pure politics.

[edit on 3/3/2006 by ludaChris]

Actually, there are many incidents of proven investigations of peaceful groups
protesting military recruitment methods and critisizing the adminsitrations war/defense policys... (which are getting pretty tricky)

Dont know if you saw this link:more groups monitored
Mentions the Quaker group, and four other group actions/protests on the DOD database...

I agree to an extent that the FBI and homeland security should look into hardcore fanatical groups in the ranks... the ones that might do suicide bombs, or actual attacks on Military or civilian populations.

It is for this reason that I support investigation of ie: Aryan Brotherhood, certain "Christian cult" fanatics, and unofficial race based militias...
but we the people shall always preserve the right for public discourse, and disagreement, freedom of speech, and the absolute right to form official state militias, for the protection of the states citizens

As long as these things stand, then no government corruption can succeed for long.
It is the slow eroding of the rights listed above, that ought to make all true patriots shudder...

I truly hope that the "spies" can sort thru all the crap, and only focus on the true threats... and leave the rest alone...

and for security sake... I always try to be within the same realm of gripeing as a goodly portion of the public... (if they take me, then they have to take the other 60 million that think like me defense) and not go overboard in my conspiracy paranoia...

No reason to rattle hornets nests that are not in my worry yard...

i feel u.s is in a state of 911/watergate type of enviroment.the problem is if you dont trust your own people what are you doing right?where is the good leadership?many people wanting to see more peaceful policies.this has a 1960s feel to it.

Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
About 5 minutes later, my computer got hacked. It started to download something, and then it started to play a futuristic high tech sound.
[edit on 24-1-2006 by ImplementOfWar]

How do you know your computer was hacked? Can you give a more technical explanation of how you're sure it was hacked? Are you using a broadband Internet connection? Do you utilize a router or a firewall? Do you use antivirus protection?

The government would have a somewhat difficult time cracking into my home systems, however they don't need to. They want to monitor communications, Echelon and Carnivore are all they need for that.

It is difficult when you are the world power and your country is rather porous and open. It makes it so easy for your control freak enemies to come in and undermine you.

Originally posted by ferretman2
comes to conclusions with no proof.

No proof of snooping was ever given.

on that note I saw democrats going through my garbage

, so they are violating my rights!

Small-minded and short-sighted Americans (and there are plenty of them) still think along the two-party line. Neither Dems nor repubs hold the answers to securing our country's economical and security needs in the future. Once you reach a certain level in politics, it's all about power from that point forward.

If you think Dems are the problem, or if you think conservatives hold the key, then you are in fact part of the larger problem w/ the country. Wake up now.

Originally posted by SoLaR513
Liberals and conservatives are two sides of the same coin. Higher being forbid that people think for their selves and decide what is right or wrong.

I do agree with you on that assumption solar, i feel that it has always been a bad idea to let "man" both men and women rule other humans and the world. Which is why i'm starting to believe that out ancestors did have vast knowledge of astrology to have a connection to other forms of life/god etc.

[edit on 7-3-2006 by malakiem]

Originally posted by CyberSEAL

Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
About 5 minutes later, my computer got hacked. It started to download something, and then it started to play a futuristic high tech sound.
[edit on 24-1-2006 by ImplementOfWar]

How do you know your computer was hacked? Can you give a more technical explanation of how you're sure it was hacked? Are you using a broadband Internet connection? Do you utilize a router or a firewall? Do you use antivirus protection?

The government would have a somewhat difficult time cracking into my home systems, however they don't need to. They want to monitor communications, Echelon and Carnivore are all they need for that.

Lol it was definatly hacked, and it definatly came with a warning. And it was DEFINATLY either the US or UK government.

I have a cable connection, Yes I use a router, and yes I use the latest Norton Internet Security updated daily. I think you're a noob if you think there arent backdoors for the government to circumvent something as pathetic as routers and commercial security software. It is probably mandatory for these companies to allow such easy access for .gov.

My computer started to download something which I could only see for maybe half a second. Then my computer started to play weird sounds, sort of like a scifi movie. The sound could be akin to sort of a threat.

Then it was over.

A few files dissapeared which were conspiracy related. Nothing important but it still was a malicious attempt at the integrity of my computer.

Then I mentioned it to the US and UK Military personnel I was having the conversation with, and it was met with a LMFAO @ U.

Too bad they are script kiddies that probably couldn't hack there way into a paper bag if they did'nt have the tools handed to them from people who were smarter then they were (government computer scientists). They were oblivious to the fact that Britain is just as deserving as a terrorist organization the the IRA was. They don't like facts, they just like their own political beleifs.

And the US soldirs would not admit that the US was founded on rebellion, the same rebellion the IRA was fighting. And that we pillaged and killed British loyalists in the Revolutionary War, the same as the IRA was killing British loyalists and citizens in ireland and elsewhere for independance.

We were HYPOCRITES for not supporting the IRA (or at least remaining neutral). Technically anyways. But we demonize the IRA and make Britain justified in their hold over parts of Ireland. Makes no sense.

It's alright because this country is falling, it is probably owned more by foreigners then it is by actual loyal Americans.