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Topic started on 21-12-2005 @ 02:49 PM by johnsky
I used to post on a forum called ####.com

Well, on that forum, someone asked if I could explain how to do a Whois search.

So I did. I used ####.com as the example for the whois search, and as expected, the administrative information came up.

Now, any admin who has half a brain should realise that the information they register the website to is public information.

Not this one. She banned me from ####.com. Why?

Thats the part I cant figure out. I mean, should I have been a hacker (Or as you hackers call them, Crackers) I could have done some serious damage to her forum. I think banning for something she didnt understand was a bad call.

But thats not the point of this post.

The point is. The forums own rules stated that everyone is entitled to a warning. I didnt get one. And upon further investigation of their rules, it became apparent that I hadnt broken any of the boards rules at all.

-Admin banned me.
-I didnt break any rules.
-Admin broke her own rules by banning without warning.

She then proceeded to verbally harass my girlfriend. Which is again, pretty childish. Again, not sure why she did that, But thats not the point.

The point I'm getting at, is, do you think failsafes should be created for places on the internet such as forums, in which the administrators cannot attack someone simply because ... well, I'm not quite sure why she attacked me like that.

Either way... by failsafe, I'm asking, how could websites ensure that the admins dont decide one day to simply up and ban anyone they dont agree with? That sort of enfringes on your right to your oppinion does it not (which by the way right to opinion was another rule stated on the site that the admin did not uphold).

To top it off, to ensure I couldnt defend myself, and show others that I hadn't said anything wrong, she proceeded to delete the post I was banned for.

She then banned my girlfriend, and a few of my friends because they simply asked, "Why did you do that?"

So, other than the main point, stay clear of ####.com, its a pretty retartedly administrated site. And seeing as the site admin was dumb enough to place her personal information all over the internet... just whois search ####.com to see who I'm talking about.

I just cannot stand it when people act so childishly when someone simply disagrees with them.



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[edit on 22-12-2005 by SkepticOverlord]


reply posted on 22-12-2005 @ 03:07 PM by Gazrok

Either way... by failsafe, I'm asking, how could websites ensure that the admins dont decide one day to simply up and ban anyone they dont agree with? That sort of enfringes on your right to your oppinion does it not (which by the way right to opinion was another rule stated on the site that the admin did not uphold).


I think you'll find that we are usually very hesitant to ban quickly, and have a pretty well-defined process. In a sense, this itself is a pretty good "failsafe". There are however, times when a quick and warningless ban need to be enacted (such as hacks, blatant abuse, etc. etc.) Luckily, such cases are rare. However, it is important to realize that such forums are NOT a democracy....nor is posting a "right". Posting on any forum is a "priviledge" of membership, and all that is asked of most members on most forums is adherance to some basic guidelines.

Your particular experience seems to be more of a product of one admin who doesn't have to answer to other admins/mods or a large membership. Here, when one of us makes a mistake (and we're only human....except for the lizzie mods ), we're definitely called on, by other mods, and the membership.

I think there are NUMEROUS examples of members whom the mods generally disagree with, but such disagreements are not bannable offenses. Indeed, some of my favorite posters are often those who have an opinion contrary to my own. I find that I learn FAR more from those with different opinions, than from those who agree....


reply posted on 22-12-2005 @ 03:48 PM by ZeddicusZulZorander
Originally posted by ANOK
They are supposed to give you 24 hours notice to fix, which I didn't get. I was told if I didn't like their rules they would ban me. They broke their own rule...


That "rule" states:
If you receive a warning from a moderator to alter your signature to comply with the guidelines above, you'll have 24 hours to make the changes. If you don't make the alterations within the reasonable timeframe, the noncompliant material will be deleted from your profile for you.

Note that I highlighted the SIGNATURE part. It does not apply to avatars. ATS reserves the right to "kill" an avatar instantly. Why would we let someone post something questionable (a nude image for example) and then have to wait 24 hours for the member to take it down?

As for the banning if you didn't like the rule...I submit that like your other misintepretation, you are could doing the same here. I don't know of people being banned for this reason. I also suggest you
see my post on D-ego regarding our group approach on matters like that.

I explained the mistake to the mod politely, got no responce.


Why not make another complain submission? It could be that a Mod thought someone else was handling it or they contacted a Super that hasn't had time or missed the request. We're human too you know and not perfect.

Seems like forums are run as a dictatorship, where the mod is always right even when proven wrong. It would be fine if they would admit their mistakes and correct them, but doesn't seem to be happening.


This is a PRIVATE discussion board. Read the copy below:

Lastly, and most important, this is a privately owned discussion board community. The administration and senior moderator staff reserve the right to take action against any member who is deemed to be devoted purely to disruption or whose actions represent behavior contrary to community building. This action may include complete banning of your username and IP address.

Many times if one of us is wrong we admit that and try to correct the mistake. This seems like one incident that you want to broad stroke with a brush and generalize to all cases. This is simply untrue. I think some members can attest to this and even (dare I say it) some probably even remember me admitting fault somewhere and doing my best to fix that.

And I'll bet you anything my post here will get deleted. Can't speak out against mods around here, they call it board drama...LOL


Why delete it? I don't think your rant over an avatar is worth the bother, although this whole thread probably belongs in the Rant Forum. So now we get to the matter of "speaking out" that you mention. It IS drama and we do call it such. You feel slighted and so rather than email (mine is in my profile - I just don't check it so often), u2u (I always check), or complaint (all of the staff and council sees them)...you would rather make a "poor me the evil nazi mods" post simply intended to create board drama.

A simply followup on your part might have gotten you an apology (someone probably thought it was handled) and most likely a solution to the original matter. Sometimes it's better to see the good in people rather than the bad.


As for your matter. Personally I was aware of it and thought it WAS handled already. The solution? Put your avatar back. Maybe even send me a link first and I will personally have a look and be sure it's alright for you. That should resolve the issue.

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