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Originally posted by northwolf
Devilwasp, It was PeaceKeeping exercise, Both USMC and FRDF were part of the MNTF (in additon to forces from other countries) operating in the "crisis region"
One group of target personel wore the red armbands.. and winter camos, other groups were in civilian outfits... Our boys were wearing Green M91 camos... and a flag in their vehicle that parked about 150 yards away + they had their nationality flags on...
I'm not claiming that all US troops are idiots,just these morons who opened fire without even trying to identify their targets (SGT leading the patrol knew the passwords etc.)
Btw USMC took the highest "game casualities" in the exercise,mainly because they were exessively eager to use force, without even trying to negotiate... So i can partially see how US troops are not getting along in iraq...
But Italians and french suffered serious freezing casualities from the cold (-30C), US too had some freezing cases, our battallion (Finns and swedes) had none...
Originally posted by northwolf
Devilwasp
Ever heard of Binoculars, you can pretty easily tell the difference with them... and these guys,like most troops in the world had a pair... and usual practise (at least our liason told this to us) is that you shout and ask for a freaking password...
And You're mixing WAR and PeaceKeeping operation, If the main order is to keep the area peaceful, shooting everyone who don't agree the first time you shout at them isn't the best way to handle things...
Later on the exercise things got harder and we did some offensive work too (building raids, protecting civilians from armored units...)
Me and my patrol stopped 4 CV9030 IFVs by making them think that they were heading to a minefield (a bluff, since we only had Rifles and a 4x4)
The exercise Battle Griffin '05 was held in Trondelaget Norway on February/March 2005
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Just as Canadians have hockey in their blood, so too does the US have riflery in it's blood.
lastly , you wrote : "US soldiers get all of their training enhanced by optics."
so what ???? are they partially sighted - and unable to see the target without enhancement ???
So what? Have you ever used Trijicon optics? I'm going to assume you haven't, because if you had, you wouldn't make yourself out to be so uninformed.
The big deal is how much these optics improve your accuracy AND reactionary time. I have one mounted to one of my own assult rifles. The difference is austounding
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
At least something is, because ice hockey clearly isn't
Yes, and all bootnecks and squaddies are issued with a thing called the SUSAT trilux sight. Which, from what I've read and been told, is a wonderful piece of equipment whose only problem is that it can fog up in extreme humidity. But I'll take Devilwasp's testimony on that one.
Originally posted by northwolf
One more addition: The US troops were on Guard duty at an outpost... to witch our men had ordered to visit... so they should have tried to contact...
And trained for war? I'm trained to wreack havoc in the middle of an attacking russian Mech Division... it doesn't mean i haven't been trained for Crisis Control ops too, and so should the US troops be too, since that's essentially what they do... CIMIC ops are still in infancy within US
military, when people are in need of help,you get down and dirty and help them, you don't drive by with a hummer... but this should have been done right after the invasion,it's hopelesly late now...
As for the air superiority, Finnish AF has 63 F-18 Hornets and our "training" enemy is Russia.. so quess how long they will last (i hope long enough for the initial deployment)
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Yup, thats the MOD for you. They came out with perhaps the worst assult rifle in modern history, with an optics system that fogs up.
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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lastly , you wrote : "US soldiers get all of their training enhanced by optics."
so what ???? are they partially sighted - and unable to see the target without enhancement ???
all that means is that they will grow dependent on thier toys - and when they break - and murphy will make sure they do - the UBERSOLDAT who trained with his shiny toys will not have a clue what to do without them
Originally posted by engenerQ
all i will say to this is you mess with the big dog you get the big teeth so i dont think china would ever rattle the cage. if they do start something we have a DEFINATE edge in sea and air capabilaties. so ya wth are they gona do swim. so what if they have lots more people the dasy cutter II bigest dang non-nuclear bomb ever.
Originally posted by stumason
Remember, China, Iran or whatever next poor country we ended up invading will not be the pushover Iraq was.
Pride comes before a fall........
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
I thought it goeth, but nitpicking aside I agree totally.
However, Iraq has just given the US army something the Chinese don't have, recent combat experience and something else they (the US, that is) have almost never had, urban combat experience.
Originally posted by stumason
Originally posted by engenerQ
all i will say to this is you mess with the big dog you get the big teeth so i dont think china would ever rattle the cage. if they do start something we have a DEFINATE edge in sea and air capabilaties. so ya wth are they gona do swim. so what if they have lots more people the dasy cutter II bigest dang non-nuclear bomb ever.
But unfortunately can only be carried and dropped out of a huge, slow moving bomber or transport, which will be shot down.
Remember, China, Iran or whatever next poor country we ended up invading will not be the pushover Iraq was.
Pride comes before a fall........
Originally posted by taobo33
The whole japanese culture itself is a mirror of tang danasty of china, how can chinese not understand their culture!?
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