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Originally posted by Expat888
In feudal Japan ninja were looked upon as being without honor due to their tactics and usually executed when captured. Though some were employed for their unique talents at times .
It wasn’t a profession that one would brag about or admit to as shortly after one would lose their head - literally or be used for tamashigiri (cutting practice) as that was the fate of criminals up until the meiji restoration.
Originally posted by squiz
reply to post by ForkandSpoon
Very informative post, I agree for the most part, except on these points.
Yamabushi techniques where not added to Modern Ninjutsu, they are tied up in the oldest of the unbroken lines of the Togakure tradition. The first grandmaster of togakure ryu was taught by Yamabushi. Hence why I refered to it as closely resembling the myth.
Originally posted by Expat888 As for efficiency in martial arts, well that's a fallacy it is the martial artist and not the art that makes an effective warrior. There is no superior art.
According to Togakure ryu Ninjutsu Hidensho (a Japanese manuscript, currently in the possession of sōke Masaaki Hatsumi, Togakure-ryū (戸隠流?) ("School of the Hidden Door") was founded about eight hundred years ago by Daisuke Nishina (Togakure), who learned shugendo practices as well as Hakuun ryu ninjutsu from Kagakure Doshi. Although the existence of Daisuke Nishina has been verified, in that a person by that name was found by Koyama Ryutaro in a period work , the history of the system has not been independently verified. It must, however be noted that the Bugei Ryuha Daijiten recognises Togakure-ryū as a legitimate koryu bujutsu school
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
very interesting post.
QUestion about the geneology of actual ninjitsu. I agree that all modern martial arts are off shoots or evolutions of older styles. I am always trying to trace and analyze the histories and origens of chinese martial arts, but i am also somewhat familiar with japanese, okinawan, and korean MA history too. Right now i'm facinated with song dynasty Hong chuen from the shianxi area of the yellow river. from hong chuen (lao jia hong) came da hong, xiao hong, tai-tzu, taiji concepts, and lots of the long fist curriculum. what did ninjitsu come from.
just curious as to what systems you've explored or settled into along this quest. Sounds like you embrace the philosophy of kajunekenpo, jeet kuen do, wun hop kuen do, or silat. All styles that make no bones about using what works and getting rid of what doesn't.
Also whats your take on these styles and their ever evolving approach to MA/combatatives. Do you like the jeet kuen do way where the art changes from generation to generation depending on the core knowledge and preferences of the head master and never stays the same, always keeping relevant. or do you like the older methods of hybriding martial arts where the style stays the same for centuries although effective like tang lang chuan (N. preying mantis) just curious to get your thoughts.
Good comment on the spear. it's a real mother.
about ninjitsu's MA history and core background. any insights?