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Originally posted by CindyfromFlorida
I read the article and it shifts all blame to the poor people in NO. The poor -black people. I think that it greatly exaggerates the crime that took place, and minimizes the federal gov'ts responsiblity. What it says to me is that most of the people who didn't evacute weren't worth saving-mostly a bunch of welfare riding criminals. I do not agree.
It took four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it also took me four long days to figure out what was going on there.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists—myself included—did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency—indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems.
This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows a SWAT team with rifles and armored vests riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit—but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals—and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep—on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
Originally posted by Yorga
Knew it had to happen sooner or later, now it has in my home town.
I feel for her plight but there are other avenues to pursue.
Originally posted by Alikospah
So because they were poor, that justifies the terrible behavior that was indulged in and directed toward their own fellow people? It was inexcuseable. Are they Americans or not?
Do we pretend it didn't happen? Keep quiet about it because we don't want to face it? That a class of people have lived on welfare and haven't been encouraged and helped to get out of the situation is wrong but that behavior is not something I can accept in this country no matter who they are or what excuses are made. It happened. We know who the people are that did it. We can try to make changes but making excuses simply encourages it to happen again.
Originally posted by Alikospah
Americans during a disaster normally organize to help those having a hard time, make provisions for keeping children comfortable, managing panic and in general not giving into lawlessness. That is the American way, it always has been. They endure with strength and hope.
I have never heard that it is acceptable or even a normal reaction on being crowded into a collection point to wait out a storm or flood that people will riot, give into brutality, prey on the helpless, murder, rape and rob. That is not how Americans have ever behaved. We become stronger during disasters, we find a way to survive. We don't turn on each other and we never ever have.
Some of those victims turned into savages. Americans have never done that, ever.
We have seen the developement of a sub-culture that hates, that blames, that will not lift a finger to help themselves or their own. They hate what is America and want to destroy it. That is what we saw in the dome. What is really sorry, they are the offspring of generations of GOOD Americans.
Originally posted by Alikospah
How is America responsible for this sub-culture? In the last century we established welfare to help those who had temporarily run out of options and needed help short term. Too too many took advantage and lived on it rather than do for themselves. How is America responsible for that? What do we do, end welfare and put a stop to it for those who really need it?
What has America to do with young people rebelling and turning so sick at soul as to create this "gangsta" culture where women are hated, violence is advocated? Why do we stand for it?
When we do speak out we are silenced by those who have an interest in keeping the poor poor, the downtrodden downtrodden. When we complain and ask where God is people shout us down and tell us God doesn't exist. The good people, the Americans who are left are silenced and prevented from saying or doing anything to resist the criminal element that is spreading from child to child and promoted by media, intrusive pornography and a culture of "haves" who insist anything goes.
So we are forced to live with this "criminal element" that is not American and will in the end destroy us. As we are being destroyed we are scolded and told they are just poor and its our fault. I reject that, it is an evil that has been allowed to grow in front of our eyes because there are some who make money off of it. America as we knew it is disappearing before our very eyes! And we can do nothing about it.
A storm revealed to us what is happening.
The looting and other civil violence in New Orleans that shocked the nation was far worse in San Francisco. Crowds looted homes and stores as the spreading fire approached and engulfed them, ransacked hospitals for drugs, and cannibalized the few belongings of the tens of thousands of refugees. Most shocking of all, some of the worst looting was done by Army and California National Guard troops, especially in San Francisco’s Chinatown.
The mayor posted a “shoot to kill” order and emergency workers followed it — including firemen who had to kill muggers who were attacking evacuees pulled from burning buildings. The official history is that no looters were killed. But James Baker of the Museum of the City of San Francisco believes that the number killed, including Army and National Guard troops shot by their own men, rivals the official count of 478 deaths overall.
What can Americans do now to repair what has happened to our spirit? I think it is probably too late to do anything. Like most of America I can turn off the TV and I think I will. I live far enough away from the sick cities and seething evil that I can still insulate myself for the time I have left and that is what I think I will do. It is too late to speak out and there is nothing that can be done anyway. If you know of anything short of shipping that criminal element to live in our laps, let us hear it please.