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Which types of these Cryptids do u believe in?

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posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 12:35 AM
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Ok, i'll list the most "famous" of them and then add my own reasoning for believing or not believing. Everyone else do their own opinions the same way:

Loch Ness Monster: I don't believe it. I've watching documentary after documentary and came to realize that there isn't enough food for a large 'beast' to live off of in that lake. Also, the first famous picture of the monster was admitted to being a fake by the photographer who took the picture just before he died and he even showed the original model to prove it.

Lake Champlain Monster: The most famous pic of this makes me want to believe in it. It is pretty impresive. However, this is the only evidence i've seen.

Bigfoot: In my sceptical mind i find it "possible" for a large primate to still be alive on Earth, perhaps a surving Gigantapithagis? However, i find ALL of the video/photography to be FAKES. Also, do Bigfoot primates bury their dead? How come Archeologists find bones of fossilized extinct primates but NO ONE can find any current ones?

Thunder-Bird: I'm torn on this one. I judge people by the look in their eyes and have seen people talking about seeing one and i find myself believing them. I've seen weak evidence about them, but i feel it IS possible they exist today. The MAIN reason i believe is because i work in Nebraska and my job requires me to travel way out into the middle of nowhere. While out in a rural area, with no one else around for miles i saw a GIANT shadow go over me. At first i thought it was just a plane going over. After about a minute i realized there was the total lack of the sound of jet engines. I started to look up and around. Something caught my eyes. Not one, but two REALLY big black birds about a football length away flying through the sky in the middle of the day. First off i will admit it was impossible for me to judge their size because there was nothing to compare them to and they were too far away. The ONLY thing i can attribute was the shadow i saw, it was no LESS than a wing span of 12-14 feet. Black birds wing span normally in Nebraska is about 3-4 feet.

Mokele-mbembe: I believe. I saw video footage on the show "That's Incredible" of it's head and neck coming out of the furious waters of the Congo River many years ago when i was just a kid. In fact ANYTHING that SHOULD be extinct may very well be still be alive near the Congo River. Science dictates that this area hasn't changed to the extreme for millions of years.

Megladon Shark: This scares the SH!T out of me! I HATE sharks. The thought of one of these things existing today freaks me out! There is no scientific evidence that one exists today. However, whenever people come forward with information about such a thing, there is money to be made in some way off to the side. Not in the case of a bunch of fishermen in 1918. Here's the link; english.pravda.ru... Less than a hundred years ago and all the fichermen lost money refusing to back out into the sea. I think anything that could possibly still exist as long as it's the deepest parts of the ocean.

Also, on a non-cryptid note; i believe in aliens and U.F.O.'s. Not because of the eye witness accounts, photos and videos, but because of the mathematical odds that there would have to intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.




posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 02:04 AM
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Partially a thread bump coz i feel alot more people should be posting their views on Cryptids in general, and partly my response...

I dont believe or disbelieve in cryptids of any sort. I think anything is possible and humans have to step outside of the attitude of 'if we dont know about it, then it doesnt exsist'.

On the flip side, alot of the evidence is very sketchy and unverifiable (if there is any in the first place) and i think people like to believe. Humans need something unknown that they can explore and fantasize about, we have explored most of the planet, so other than space, we need to come up with unknown creatures to jog our imaginations.



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 07:37 AM
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Okay, let's see. Generally speaking I have a hard time believing in most forms of cryptid, purely because of the fact that many of them have been studied for decades with little or no results. That being said, I am aware of the fact that new species are being discovered all the time and that we should not rule anything out. So:

Lake Monsters - I used to believe in Nessie and Champ and Ogopogo without reservation. Now, however, I have to say that I doubt they exist. As much as I accept that we know little of what goes on beneath the water, these places are isolated lakes with a limited space in which a cryptid could hide. I really think that if there were something there, we would possess more than the scant circumstantial evidence we have for their existence.

Bigfoot - I am more inclined to believe in Bigfoot than perhaps any other cryptid. I believe that some accounts, particularly those sightings that took place in Northern Europe or Asia, may represent surviving populations of Neanderthal Man. Whilst unlikely, this theory is, to me personally, more probable than the existence of some undiscovered primate. Furthermore, although many forest areas are frequently visited, tourists rarely stray off the beaten track and sightings often occur in undeveloped regions (Northern Asia, Australia, Canada, etc.). Therefore, I tend to lean more towards Bigfoot's existence than his being a myth or a series of hoaxes.

Thunderbirds - I think most sightings of 'thunderbirds' can probably be attributed to misinterpretation of known bird species by people unfamiliar with them. I have noticed that, in the past, thunderbirds were often described in truly enormous terms - wingspans of 90 feet or more. Nowadays, that figure has dropped to the point where most sightings hover around the 10-15 foot mark. Whilst still remarkable, this makes me think that past stories were just that and that now we are seeing known species that observers are unfamiliar with.

Mokele-mbembe - Sorry, I just can't believe this one exists. Although we may not think that the Congo region has changed much, we must consider that the whole planet has changed since the dinosaur's days - the oxygen content is different, solar radiation is different, plants and animals are different. For a creature to have survived this long (65 million years plus) would be practically impossible. I also note that, while natives supposedly identified mokele-mbembe as a saurapod dinosaur from pictures, certain features are inconsistent with this theory - size (usually described as hippo-sized, whereas saurapods were typically larger than elephants) being the main one. I also recall how Siberian natives concocted stories of contemporary mammoths to fool gullible Western scientists and wonder if this is not the case here.

Megaladon - Whilst I do believe in the probability of large, undiscovered sea creatures, I do not think that Megaladon still prowls the Earth. Why? We are aware of many species of shark and observe them regularly. It just seems to me that we would have had at least a few reputable sightings were such a shark to still exist. Having said that, the ocean is the best place to discover cryptids, given our ignorance of it. The famous bloop deep-sea monster noise is a good example of what we don't know about what lurks beneath the ocean.

So that's my thoughts. Kind of skeptical, in the end, weren't they? Oh well. Retort, anyone?


[edit on 3/8/05 by Jeremiah25]



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 10:12 AM
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Well when it comes to Loch Ness monster I think it existed just it might not be there any more. The Thunderbird I'm rather inclined to believe in probably just because I like the idea of super large birds. Bigfoot is probably the 1 criptid I think most possible to be real. Moklele-memble(sp?) I'm not too sure about. Possibly because of the surviving dinosaur in the middle of nowhere thing. It just seems kinda out landish. Also thats something that could easily be lied about because it would be really hard for someone else to go and find it.



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 05:57 PM
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Sea creatures are definately the most probable to exist. And lets remember, the megamouth shark is huge, and was unknown till rather recently, so is another mega shark really that impossible? After living in Alaska, bigfoot could easily be real as well. And Kodiak where I lived was a hotbed of sightings of the thunderbird. I just think there are a lot of hunters in the west and midwest watching the skies for birds, a thunderbird would be spotted.

There was one time I was flying a small piper, at about 9,500 feet with flight following, and the controller advised me of traffic without a transponder to my 3 o'clock at 60 knots. Lets review the facts, planes without transponders RARELY and I mean RARELY fly anywhere even approaching that high, and almost no planes that high maintain that LOW of a speed. I never saw the target, but I would like to believe that just mabey, I had an encounter with a thunderbird.



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 08:28 PM
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>Thunder-Bird

I remember reading an article maybe two years ago claiming that a group of paleontologists found a fossil that they described as being of a bird. Again...this was years ago, so my memory might be a little fuzzy on the details, but I think the article said that the fossil was found somewhere in South America, and that they estimated that the creature it came from would have weighed approximately two tons, and amazingly, WAS capable of flight. I remember the article suggesting that the creature may have the origin of the legends of griffons, and thinking "Umm...no guys, sorry...two tons...that's not a griffon, that's a roc."

The article was online...it wasn't something I was looking for, I just saw the word "griffon" and clicked on it. I think it may have been on the news site that you get after you log out from a hotmail account. I've looked for the article, but msn.com doesn't appear to have a past article search, and as long ago as it was, I'm not even sure if it was msn.com at that time. This might have been before microsoft bought hotmail. I'm not sure. Also...there are lots of ways to spell "griffon" (griffon and gryphon seem to be the most common, but I've seen others) and apparantly there's a bird known as a "Griffon Vulture" which makes searching a little more difficult.

Who wants to help look for the article? Or any sort of source?


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Well...not what I was looking for, but I did find this:

www.grisda.org...

"Recently the Los Angeles County Natural History Museum displayed parts of a skeleton of the biggest known bird that ever flew."

"Argentavis magnificens spans its wings over 8 m and stands 3.5 m from tip of tail to end of beak."


That was back in 1980 that the fossils (found in Argentina) were displayed. 26 foot wingspan is fairly impressive, I think it's reasonable to suspect that if they've found one that big, there may well have been others that they haven't found which were larger.

Anyway...if anyone can find any references to the two ton one, definietly post the article.

[edit on 4-8-2005 by LordBucket]

Theres a photo of the reconstruction at www.unexplained-mysteries.com


[edit on 4-8-2005 by LordBucket]



posted on Aug, 4 2005 @ 10:15 PM
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Nice post and links LordBucket. As an added note it may be possible that the Thunderbird and The Mothman could be the same thing.

Anyway, it would be much more difficult to find bones to a dead Thunderbird because a majority of it's "bones" would be cartilidge. Cartilidge would deteriorate.

Thunderbird and Megaladon Shark are my 2 favorite cryptids. We can't see what's under the water in the ocean at any given time and as humans we rarely ever look up to notice what my be flying over head.



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 03:46 AM
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Personally I find the Thunderbird the least likely to exist, mainly because it's the most "visible" of all Cryptids... Meaning if birds this size would soar the skies, a lot of people would see them.... Think for yourself... From what distance can you see even a small plane? Miles and miles, not? We've got other planes flying all over the skies, surely...? Not to mention all the satellites keeping an eye on us. But I like the idea from Faust that Thunderbird and Mothman might be the same thing...

Bigfoot, I do believe in.
Nessie (and other lake "monsters") I really want to believe in, but due to the lack of real evidence - even after years and years of scientists looking for them, I'll have to say that I can't believe in him/it/them...

Megaladon? Why not!? There are many mysteries in the ocean that remains to be discovered... At this stage we can only dive that deep... What lies beneath? Who knows...

Mokele-mbembe I don't know much about... I'll have to go do some reading...



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 02:02 PM
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Nessie and Champ - I think these are mistaken giant eels.

Bigfoot - Extremely probable. Possibly extinct now though.

Thunderbirds - I think these are now extinct, but might have lived as late as the 1800s. Large birds were all over the place after the ice age. Some could have survived I suppose.

Mokele-mbembe - Very likely. I doubt a bunch of African tribes just "imagined" a dinosaur.

Megalodon - If it does, it's likely a deeper water variant these days.



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 04:35 PM
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If the thunderbird flies mostly at night, or follows the midwestern thunderstorms and some claim, it would not be obvious to see, and might actually be the most difficult cryptid to spot. Geese migrate at night mostly, and how many geese at night have you seen?



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 04:39 PM
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The hump of hair on the leg is very interesting. What could that be? If this was a suit that could be where the leg zippers on.



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by Gemwolf
From what distance can you see even a small plane? Miles and miles, no?

Well, the only reason we see planes is because of the noise they make. A flying bird is silent as the grave and they could travel at night as well. I always thought that the only way it could travel is on the winds that drive a storm, as mxboy pointed out. Also, how many people look up now a days? How long has it been since you have been bird watching?



posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 07:16 PM
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I like to think that if a cryptid of any kind exists, it will simply be another animal. Not anything supernatural, etc that has come out of exaggerated stories.

I think that sea monsters are unlikely but still quite possible. I don' t know why you gave different monsters their own catagories though. If there are plesiosaur-like creatures still undiscovered, I don't think they are monsters that each have a separate identity. If they exist, I think they will all be the same animal all over the world with slight variations due to separate evolutionary paths, etc at most.

I have never even heard of Thunderbirds. I suppose they are similar to Phoenixes or Griffons? Since I don't know anything about it and there wasn't really any description here I will just assume. I don't think any bird has the ability to burst into flames or live 1000 years so I will have to rule that one out.

Bigfoot seems the most reasonable one to me. From what I have seen, primate experts, doctors, kinesiologists, and so on have all examined "true" bigfoot casts, which contain things like dermal ridges (like individual fingerprints) that would be very hard or impossible to fake, as well as the overall similarity that i do not think a worldwide series of hoaxers could pull off. Bigfoot sightings tend to only appear in secluded, wooded (or just unreachable) areas.

As for what you say about Bigfoot having to bury their dead to not be found.. I don't think you understand how fast things like that break down. I have walked past a freshly dead deer carcass when I was camping. Later in the day towards dusk I went by again and the carcass was almost entirely picked clean by birds and scavenging animals. I am not sure how long bones take to break down, but it isn't too long. I will also bring up the much-used bear arguement. Bears obviously die all the time, but nobody ever finds bear carcasses. Most animals, when they feel/know that they are going to die, instinctively go into hiding. I challenge you to try and walk through a forest and find any large dead animal, let alone it's bones. It takes a trained hunter to even find shed deer antlers. I went hunting with my uncle when I was younger and we were purposefully looking for them, and I couldn't even find them then. You certainly aren't going to find bigfoot bones/come to the assumption that they are bigfoot bones if you either arent a hunter, or aren't purposefully looking for them and know what to look for.

However, I am surprised that a live bigfoot has never been seen (read: captured/photographed/filmed in such a way to provide at least near-undebatable proof). If they do exist, I believe it is only a matter of time before we do happen to stumble upon one in such a way. Especially since reliable people are now purposefully camping out for them with loaded guns, setting up motion capture cameras, etc.

My favourite bigfoot paradox: A bigfoot will have to be killed and brought in and studied by scientists before it is proven to the scientific community. But if it turns out that bigfoot is of the genus "Homo", you have committed Homocide, and can technically be sent to jail for life for it. I am sure someone is willing to take that risk in the name of science, though.

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posted on Aug, 5 2005 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Yarcofin
I like to think that if a cryptid of any kind exists, it will simply be another animal.
That must be very boring.


I suppose they are similar to Phoenixes or Griffons?

Not really.

Since I don't know anything about it and there wasn't really any description here I will just assume.

To the best of my knowledge, a Thunderbird is, in Native American myth, a giant bird that would eat cattle and bring the rain. I believe that the Native Americans weren't lying when they said that a giant bird would come down and eat cattle, and afterwards rain would come. I think that a Thunderbird is just Argentavits Magnificens( www.angelfire.com... ). I think they still might be around somewhere or at lest were once.

Bigfoot seems the most reasonable one to me.

I agree totally with you at that point. So I guess I don't need to include anything else. I hope that discription is enough for you.

[edit on 5-8-2005 by Voidmaster]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 07:39 AM
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I don't believe they will be supernatural fire birds. This is not about supernatural animals, it is about the possibility of real undiscovered large animals.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by Voidmaster
Well, the only reason we see planes is because of the noise they make. A flying bird is silent as the grave and they could travel at night as well. I always thought that the only way it could travel is on the winds that drive a storm, as mxboy pointed out. Also, how many people look up now a days? How long has it been since you have been bird watching?

I understand what you're saying, but I would like to disagree with you. People are watching the skies all the time. From where the hundreds of UFO pics/sightings? People note a light/orb "the size of a pin head" (in perspective) and immediately cry wolf (or is it UFO?)... Personally I don't go bird watching myself, but this doesn't mean that I don't keep my eyes open towards the skies and the ground (as I'm sure you keep your eyes open as well)...

I was not aware of the "fact" that they only fly by night as pointed out by mxboy15u. If that is that case I can agree that they'll be less likely to spot, but even so, their sightings won't be this limited. Nocturnal birds (like owls) can be spotted at any time of the day, and the same goes for bats.

I have not seen any geese flying around at night, because, let's face it, humans' eyes tend to fail them in the dark. Yet, we know that geese migrate at night. (And we know Thunderbirds travel by night?) Birds' migration patterns can be tracked by radar. The pattern can be shown on a national scale, down to a few yards. And it’s done 24/7 somewhere… Huge birds would pop-up on the screen at some point.

Have you seen ostriches close-up? These birds are huge. (Still smaller than a thunderbird is supposed to be). Now, if ostriches were able to fly, you would know it... You would fear the moment one of them would land on the roof of your car, never mind that... fear the moment one would "make a dropping" ...

Why are Thunderbirds supposedly going extinct or just so scarce for that matter? Destruction of their natural habitat? Wouldn't humans notice these birds while they're destroying their habitat? Wouldn't a bird this size attack anyone that came close to its nest?

I bounced a bit on the subject, but I still stick to my opinion. "I find the Thunderbird the least likely to exist, mainly because it's the most "visible" of all Cryptids..." As much as I want to believe.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 06:21 PM
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There are unidentified targets on radars all the time. They could be anything, so they are generally announced to local aircraft, or ignored. As far as droppings or nests, they could be anywhere. I have spent lots of time on the beach, and I cannot ever remember seeing a seagull nest. Never not once. But yet I know seagulls nest on the beach, and they would probably defend it if threatened. So something obviously there doesn't need to be in plain sight if you know what I mean.



posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 04:35 PM
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well i beleive in most cryptids but mokele-mbembe i do not beleive in i just havent seen any evidence if someone could give me links it would be greatly appreciated



posted on Aug, 11 2005 @ 05:15 PM
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Lake Monster=I hope, seen some cool things, but not sure
Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti=Definately. Native American tales of the Sasquatch, also an old type of primate fitting the description. Remember the Gorilla was a myth...
Thunder Birds=Yes but extinct. Many Civil War Time photos were taken of giant birds shot down by hunters.
Mokele=Not sure. It was first "known" by the western world when Natives talked about the creature and the french dude showed them pictures of different animals and drawings of others, when he showed a drawing of a dinosaur they all screamed Mokele-Mbembe!
Chupacabra= No clue in hell, maybe it exists but sure as hell ain't no damn demon like some say.



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