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posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 07:07 PM
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I am a neophyte when it comes to the rumors/theories/stories of the Illuminati. One that I have heard more than once is that they support Planned Parenthood somehow.

What is their interest in something like this? Wouldn't they want more humans to control if their objective is world domination?

Follow-up statement: People say that the Illuminati want to instill a "communist world government." Based on how I have heard they want to run the world, it would be the opposite - a FASCIST world government. Communism is extreme left-wing, and Fascism is extreme right-wing, such as Nazi Germany.




posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 11:35 PM
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well you can really say neophyte for one because a neophyte is a college kid pledging a frat. and second you cant say they are about world domination because noone has ever really proven that theory. and third how could they support planned parenthood, when they dont exist anylonger? some people say they do but those are mostly just people looking for a good story or conspericy theorists.



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 06:04 AM
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Not to be a total dick, but unwolves, you seem to be trying to be smart to more inexperienced people to the subjects of this forum. (btw: Neophyte is a word for a beginer or a recent convert to a belief)

The planned parenthood theory is grouped together with alot of agencies all in the interest of population control (this is a theory). The Negative Population Growth agency is said to be connected with these, as the theory goes, that is the prime goal.

And about communism and fascism. Fascism is basically the sacrifice of the individual for the good of the group, so communism can and usually is fascist. To me it seems to be a wolf in sheeps clothing operation. Such communist ideas as universal healthcare and racial equality are very commendable, but the abolition of private property is Fascism. I haven't delved really deep, but the origins of the illuminati/communist connection have been made through people of the past associated with eachother, it is possible the wrong dots have been connected. I can tell you might have sypathies for communism, such as I had. Even if the ideals are appealing to you, you have to know that not everything is as it seems. Lenin in particular seemed to betray the people of Russia when he outlawed criticism of his party, same could be said for Mao. It seems to me once this happens it snow balls into a fascist society.

[edit on 2-8-2005 by Cattlest]



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 06:18 AM
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Trinitrotoluene, you will quickly noticed that there are many freemasons frequenting these boards who quickly shut down any discussion about the Illuminati.

The only Illuminati definition accepted by the masons and some other members is the Bavarian Illuminati disbanded in 1784.

If however you are referring to a small group of elite (plutocrats) whom through there collective propriety control much of the world. (whether you believe them tied to the Bavarian Illuminati or not) I suggested you use the term ELITE – which more easily passes the Mason filters. Failure to do this will result in a discussion whether the Illuminati exists are not – and your thread will be ruined – your question unanswered.

Concerning Planned Parenthood, I think its very plain to see that many elites support Planed Parenthood. From Thomas Malthus to Ted Turner the elites have often voiced their opinions regarding population control.

Regarding your follow-up statement I think you should probably question the right-left paradigm itself. (Mind trap) The whole right-left paradigm is bogus - Another creation of the elite to control our sphere of thoughts.



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Cattlest
Fascism is basically the sacrifice of the individual for the good of the group, so communism can and usually is fascist.... Such communist ideas as universal healthcare and racial equality are very commendable, but the abolition of private property is Fascism.


Sorry to be a stickler here, but Fascism supports private property. Benito Mussolini, the original founder of the Fascist movement, actually was able to squirm himself into power by promising wealthy capitalists that he would defend their property against Italian Bolsheviks. Much the same can be said of Hitler, Franco, Tojo, and the other Fascist tyrants.

The abolition of private property, although not original in Marxist thought, is fundamental to it. According to Communist theory, only when the private ownership of the means of production is abolished can the forces of production be set free. Communism, therefore, seeks to end private property in an evolutionary step to establish a new, egalitarian society, while Fascism is reactionary, and seeks to preserve capitalism by reverting to an almost feudalistic economy. One noted American socialist and commentator has called Fascism "the final stage of capitalism in decay", a definition that is perhaps accurate.



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Trinitrotoluene, you will quickly noticed that there are many freemasons frequenting these boards who quickly shut down any discussion about the Illuminati.


Wow - those Masons have moderator powers and can lock threads?



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 07:40 AM
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Sorry JustMe, I meant that discussion are often diverted from their original point and become debates over the existence of the Illuminati. (Not actually shut, but the effect is the same) I’ve often observed this, and it’s not necessarily by masons, (I probably greatly generalized by posting this) but being part of a fraternal organization themselves, they often point out that the fraternal organization known as the Bavarian Illuminati does not exist anymore. The term “Illuminati” is greatly corrupted and used to mean many different things.

[edit on 2-8-2005 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 06:01 PM
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I don't know about planned parenthood and the illuminati, but if you want some fairly interesting reading look up William Shockley and the Genius Factory aka The Nobel Prize Sperm bank.



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by trinitrotoluene
I am a neophyte when it comes to the rumors/theories/stories of the Illuminati. One that I have heard more than once is that they support Planned Parenthood somehow.

What is their interest in something like this? Wouldn't they want more humans to control if their objective is world domination?

Follow-up statement: People say that the Illuminati want to instill a "communist world government." Based on how I have heard they want to run the world, it would be the opposite - a FASCIST world government. Communism is extreme left-wing, and Fascism is extreme right-wing, such as Nazi Germany.
Let me see if I can help. First, if you want to be in the conspiracy game you need to learn to not get hung up on specific theories. People will want to argue endlessly about whether the NWO is run by the Illuminati, or the bankers, or, if both, which group is actually in charge. There have been three major waves of conspiracy theory in the last 60 years in America. The first was the post war "Communist conspiracy" phase led by the Mcarthyites and groups like the John Birch society. Next came a left wing set of theories focusing on the "Military Industrual Complex" These ideas find their earliest expression in the farewell adress of Eisenhauer, and took off in the 60's following the Kennedy assn. and watergate. In the early 90's we saw the development of what was dubbed "Fusion Paranoia". The cold war had ended, and right, and left could communicate with each other without the baggage of that conflict. It was in the early 90's that many began to understand that the NWO was beyond ideology. It was about control. To understand the role of Planned Parenthood, research the history of the eugenics movement in this country. Margeret Sanger, the founder of PP was an ardent eugenisist, and racist. Thousands of people were sterlized against their will in the early 20th century. As fusion conspiracy theorists understand, the NWO uses both sides of a debate-something along the lines of the Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis model. Abortion is a classic example of this method. The far left says that the fetus is an unviable tissue mass, a positon I disagree with, while still accepting that a reasonable person can hold this view. Is this view is correct, it should obviously be the women's right to choose whether this tissue mass is removed from her own body. The other side claims that the fetus is a human life, and if correct, this opinon would demand that abortion be outlawed. The point I am making is this: either view can be held by someone who supports the U.S const. The synthesis, or so called moderate view, is that the "Resonable people" can believe that the fetus is a human being while still supporting legal abortion. Thus, the right to life is nullified; those that support freedom are labeled as "extremists" This is the form of political alchemy used by the NWO. You will find it on almost every major issue, and for the formula to work the NWO must fund, and control a wide variety of seemingly conflicting groups.



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light


Sorry to be a stickler here, but Fascism supports private property. Benito Mussolini, the original founder of the Fascist movement, actually was able to squirm himself into power by promising wealthy capitalists that he would defend their property against Italian Bolsheviks. Much the same can be said of Hitler, Franco, Tojo, and the other Fascist tyrants.

The abolition of private property, although not original in Marxist thought, is fundamental to it. According to Communist theory, only when the private ownership of the means of production is abolished can the forces of production be set free. Communism, therefore, seeks to end private property in an evolutionary step to establish a new, egalitarian society, while Fascism is reactionary, and seeks to preserve capitalism by reverting to an almost feudalistic economy. One noted American socialist and commentator has called Fascism "the final stage of capitalism in decay", a definition that is perhaps accurate.

I never meant to imply Fascism was Communism. Simply that the same result came from different paths, to which I believe (maybe incorrectly) describes that outcome. Isn't it funny how an Egalitarian Visionary can promote himself to power? Btw here's the website to Negative Population growth. www.npg.org...

[edit on 2-8-2005 by Cattlest]



posted on Aug, 2 2005 @ 10:39 PM
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it sure seems like over thinking to me. i mean do you really think the illuminati or whoever it is could possibly have a hand in this matter? Planed Parenthood is a volanterer only orginization are they not? so why would any orginization USE them for this purpose?



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 12:11 AM
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Thanks to those who posted civilly and were willing to talk to someone politely who knows less about something than you. And, yes, a neophyte is a beginner. I'm sure that some frats call their initiates and newbies "neophytes."

Don't get me wrong - I'm not hung up on any particular theory. I've heard other stories that sounds somewhat plausible, but then I hear people talking about the Planned Parenthood connection, and that seems to come out of nowhere.

I was just asking how that idea came around. I don't believe or disbelieve it, or even in the existance of the Illuminati... I'm just curious about stuff, so I'm gonna ask.



posted on Aug, 3 2005 @ 04:21 AM
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I think this theory stems from the support it in conjuction with any other agency which thins out the population recieves from certain powerful men who have been accused of terrible acts. I found a name you can investigate if you like. Warren E. Buffett, chairman of Berkshire Hathaway. He is second biggest stockholder to the Washington Post and a lead power of ABC-TV. With $4.4 billion dollars to his name was once named the 24th wealthiest man in the world. Here's a list of agencies his Warren Buffett foundation supported: Negative Population Growth, the Association for Voluntary Sterilization, Planned Parenthood, the Population Council and Population Institute, the Sex Information and Education Council, and Federal America Immigration Reform. At one time Buffett gave 7% of Negative Population Growth's total budget.

**This info is very likely outdated, it comes from the book The Franklin Cover-up first released in 1992**

Regardless of it being old I think you might find something relevant.

[edit on 3-8-2005 by Cattlest]




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