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Originally posted by grunt2
1)the plane isnt superfast, its supercruiser and supersonic lift
2)the difference between supercruiser and max speed isnt sooo big, mainly because the engine is a high dry thrust -as someone explained before-
the links are there
AMM, again you are again speculating
but nothing he has said has even made me consider the idea that the Raptor could not obtain a speed of Mach 2 with afterburner and Mach 1.8 in supercruise.
yes,yes, because is a national symbol
Originally posted by waynos
BTW, have another look at the Spitfire discussion (if you haven't already), I discovered some interesting comparisons between the planes we were discussing.
Originally posted by rmatrem
Sorry I respectfully removed myself from that circular discussion.
There is always something better. The ATF program created in 1981, also called Senior Sky, was designed to replace the F-15... the F-22 is just now being 'produced'...
wow! I just read this:
"After Lockheed was announced as the winner, Skunk Works largely backed out of the F-22 program and left it, as tradition dictated, to the mainstream Lockheed organizations in Marietta and Fort Worth...They will still provide engineering and technical support as needed, but another fighter project had already begun at Skunk Works." -- "Lockhed Secret Projects" author D. Jenkins
The important advance is that the roll capability continues to sixty degrees angle of attack. As angle of attack increases, the maximum rate decreases, but the roll capability at sixty degrees still allows the aircraft to change direction very well. All rolling maneuvers can be done 'feet on the floor," with none of the dancing on the rudder pedals required in some other fighters. The aircraft rolls around the velocity vector. Most fighters have reasonable rolling characteristics up to twenty degrees angle of attack, so this seems quite natural. The rolls from twenty- to forty-degree angles of attack begin to take on a "barrel roll" appearance. Above forty degrees, the yaw part of the roll begins to predominate the pilot's impression and rolls become virtually heading changes. At sixty degrees, they appear very much like pure yaw (video certainly makes them look like a spin). At sixty degrees angle of attack, a thirty-degree bank angle change results in a heading change of approximately ninety degrees. It's important to remember that most of these maneuvers were accomplished at speeds closer to the average speed on a California freeway than takeoff speed for the average fighter.
Propulsion two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engines
Thrust 35,000 lbst
Length 62.08 feet, 18.90 meters
Height 16.67 feet, 5.08 meters
Wingspan 44.5 feet, 13.56 meters
Wing Area 840 square feet
Horizontal Tailspan 29 feet, 8.84 meters
Maximum Takeoff Weight
Ceiling
Speed Mach 1.8 (supercruise: Mach 1.5)
Crew one
Armament Two AIM-9 Sidewinders
six AIM-120C Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
one 20mm Gatling gun
two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)
First flight: September 7, 1997
Date Deployed deliveries beginning in 2002
operational by 2004
Unit Costs
DOD's Projected Unit
Prices Before and After Restructuring
Production
--------------------------
Low-rate Full-rate
------------ ------------
Units Unit Units Unit
Estimates cost cost
-------------------------- ---- ------ ---- ------
Before restructuring 76 $142.6 362 $102.8
Restructured without 70 $200.3 368 $128.2
initiatives
Restructured with 70 $200.8 368 $ 92.4
initiatives
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SOURCE: GAO June 1997
Originally posted by rmatrem
What I can tell you is the F-22s released top speed is NOT it's true top speed. It is probably faster... but could also be slower! (The Russians used to use that tactic a lot) But regardless, it's not it's true top speed.