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posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 07:42 PM

Originally posted by blue bird
Tantra Dymond 'Vehicle' is occult and secret doctrine - very much like western alkhemy.

True indeed.

Regarding women - Adi Buddha is male. Naf said. It's about creating 'an androgynous being out of a woman means that her own feminine essence becomes subordinated to a masculine principle'.

Why don't you tell that to Kuntuzangpo/Samantabhadra and Kuntuzangmo/Samantabhadri, the androgynous Adi-Buddha?:

writes David Snellgrove, “known as the Wisdom-Maiden [prajna] and supposedly embodying this great perfection of wisdom, is in effect used as a means to an end, which is experienced by the yogi himself. Moreover, once he has mastered the requisite yoga techniques he has no need of a feminine partner, for the whole process is re-enacted within his own body. Thus despite the eulogies of women in these tantras and her high symbolic status , the whole theory and practice is given for the benefit of males” (Snellgrove, 1987, vol. 1, p. 287)"

David Snellgrove was a scholar not an Initiate, at least when that was written.

He may have even later recanted such statements.

If not, then he would have to eat his own words, if he could have received teachings from Machig Lobdron or Yeshe Tsogyal:

Chöd's special appeal for women

Chöd practice has had a special appeal for women, perhaps because it was largely founded by a woman saint (Machig Labdrön was the "Mother" of Chöd). All down through history, women have been spiritual leaders in the Chöd tradition. Besides having been created by Machig Labdrön herself, and also attributed to Princess Yeshe Tsogyal, other famous woman figures in the Chöd tradition include Shukseb Zangmo (1852-1953, herself considered to be an incarnation of Machig), Jomo Menmo (1248-1283), Jetsunma Mingyur Paldron (1699-1769, the daughter of Terdag Lingpa), Jetsunma Thinley Chodron, a teacher of Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, and Sera Khadro Kunzang Wangmo (1899-1952). At the Shukseb Convent near Lhasa, more than one hundred Ka'gyu nuns still follow our tradition of the mKha'-'groi Gad-rGyangs Chöd, a practice revealed by the great mystic Jigme Lingpa.

And finnaly ist's about power of guru.

So what about that story?

Here's a version from the Karmapa's website:

(FYI, that website^^^ is for the real Karmapa, not the phony one)

First of all, the version of that story you quoted from("Shadow of the Dalai Lama"), couldn't be literally true.

If it was, then how would he be able to Initiate Marpa without his limbs intact?

Looks like whoever wrote the "Shadow of the Dalai Lama", has a lot of karma to pay related to slander...

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Tamahu]

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 07:57 PM
Besides, how is an atheist in any position to comment on the Inner and Secret workings of Tantra, when an atheist by default could not even begin to have any Gnosis, or direct experience with Tantra?

Buddhism isn't atheism BTW, for those who may think so.

Buddhism simply rejects that idea that the Absolute is an anthropomorphic deity.

So the depictions of the Adi-Buddha(the Absolute) are symbolic.

Buddhism also rejects the supposedly-inherently-existing mental idols that many Hindus have made of Atman.

Therefore the Buddhist teaching of Anatman.

The Highest Philosophy of Buddhism and the Highest Interpretation of Kabbalah are identical.

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Tamahu]

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 08:12 PM
Tamahu - of course the story is metaforic...
And if you think that that everything is so rosy with are very wrong.
Once again - not good for woman seeking androgynous enlightment!

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 08:21 PM

Originally posted by blue bird
And if you think that that everything is so rosy with are very wrong.

I know, see this: Karma Kagyu School Of Buddhism

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dugpas/Drukpas, "NKT", or "Diamond Way" were actually behind that "Shadow of the Dalai Lama" article.

Once again - not good for woman seeking androgynous enlightment!

Did you ignore about Machig Lobdron and Yeshe Tsogyal and many other female Buddhist Masters?

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 08:47 PM
Back to the Nazis, and the Swastika:

Originally posted by dragonrider
The symbol of the swastika according to Blavatski depicts the flowing in or out of this Atma power. The left-handed swastika is presumed to be the clockwise rotation and depicts the flowing in of the Atma power at the North Pole. It prophetically describes the Aryan exodus from the inner earth via the North Pole. The right-handed swastika (the one the Nazis used) is presumed to be the counter-clockwise rotation which depicts the flowing out of the Atma power from the opening at the South Pole referred to as the "Pit"...

Actually, see the statement made here about the Swastika:

Inverted Pentagram In Hinduism

[edit on 7-3-2007 by Tamahu]

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 08:55 PM

Originally posted by dragonrider
Then come fast forward to today and see that the CIA (NAZI based Black Majick through Order of The Black Sun) involved with JPL/NASA (with it's heavy Mormon influence), Naval Intelligence involved with Scientology and the O.T.O. being considered the Highest Black Majickal Society and how all of these are intricately intertwined with each other.


Though I'd be interested to know how the Mormons fit in with all this.

JPL(Babalon) is certainly responsible for much of the technology of the Anti-Christ.

The contemporary O.T.O. and Scientology are certainly doing a number on the minds of many ignorant people(See Burning Man and Hollywood) too.

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 09:02 PM
After all we are not far from thread.
Let's procide.

“Hitler, Buddha, Krishna” sets out the biographies and ideas of important Nazi ideologists, highlighting the Asian and in particular the Buddhist influence on their thought and vision. Pre-1945 personalities covered are:

Heinrich Himmler, SS Reich Commander, architect of mass murder and admirer of Asian philosophy. A quotation from Himmler: “I marvel at the wisdom of the founders of Indian religions.” Himmler was a follower of the Buddhist doctrine of Karma and incarnation.

Walther Wüst, SS colonel, curator of SS-Ahnenerbe, vice chancellor of Munich University, Orientalist. Wüst has to be viewed as the driving force behind the SS-Ahnenerbe’s endeavours to forge a religion. He operated on the assumption that the Nazi religion under construction should be rooted in the Vedic and Buddhist writings of India.

Founder of the “German Faith Movement” and later SS captain Jakob Wilhelm Hauer. Scholar of Indian culture and Sanskrit expert, he drew on Bhagavad Gita and Buddhist texts in an attempt to elaborate the typology of an invincible war machine.

SS brigadier Karl Maria Wiligut (“Himmler’s Rasputin”), occultist in the SS-Ahnenerbe. He claimed to be in spiritual contact with Tibetan Lamaist monasteries.

SS Tibetan researchers Ernst Schäfer and Bruno Beger saw Lamaism as a treasury in which the core Aryan knowledge was stored. The book also looks at the relationship of Sven Hedin to the Nazi regime and Hitler.

Japan expert, geopolitician and Deutsche Akademie President Karl Haushofer. He emphasised the appropriateness of Shinto state fascism as a model for National Socialism.

The German teachers of Zen Buddhism, Eugen Herrigel and Karlfried Dürckheim, propounded a link between National Socialism and Zen philosophy.

The fascist philosopher Julius Evola, whose ideas were much more influential on the SS than first thought and whose traditionalist system of theories is based largely on Buddhist and Tantric doctrines.

The SS mystic Otto Rahn and the neo-Buddhist circles he frequented in France. Their influence led Rahn to claim that the “Grail of the Cathars” was a “symbol of the soul adopted [!] straight from Buddhism”.

The French specialist on the Orient, Jean Marquès-Rivière, head of the French secret police (S.S.S.) and SS collaborator. One of the leading western scholars on Tibetan Kalachakra Tantra.

The first part of the book also deals with the anti-Buddhist movement in the Third Reich. The chapter entitled “Collaborators, condoners or victims?” considers the role of Buddhists in the Nazi period.

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 09:21 PM
Who welcomed the German expedition at the 1939 New Year (Losar) celebration in Lhasa?

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 10:17 PM

he contemporary O.T.O. and Scientology are certainly doing a number on the minds of many ignorant people(See Burning Man and Hollywood) too.

Gurdjieff supported H.H. the Dalai Lama of the White Lodge.

Are you telling me - you do not find Hubbard Scientology somewath offspring of Gurdijeff!? ( btw. regarding science fiction writtings - bouth sucks
Didn't you somewath dislike New Age?:

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 10:55 PM

Originally posted by blue bird
Who welcomed the German expedition at the 1939 New Year (Losar) celebration in Lhasa?

The Nazi Expedition to Tibet

The Nazi Expedition to TibetBecause of the Japanese-German Anti-Commintern Pact, Tibet also thought to make official contact with the German Government. The decision had nothing to do with support for Nazi ideology or policy, but was due to practical necessity and the vicissitudes of the times. The conservative Tibetan government, however, proceeded cautiously. It invited an exploratory delegation from the Nazi Government to visit Tibet for the Losar (New Year) celebration, which led to the Third Tibet Expedition of Ernst Schäffer in 1938-1939. The British objected, but the Tibetans ignored the protest...

The Berzin Archives - The Nazi Connection with Shambhala and Tibet

Many high-ranking members of the Nazi regime, including Hitler, held convoluted occult beliefs. Prompted by those beliefs, the Germans sent an official expedition to Tibet between 1938 and 1939 at the invitation of the Tibetan Government to attend the Losar (New Year) celebrations.

Tibet had suffered a long history of Chinese attempts to annex it and British failure to prevent the aggression or to protect Tibet. Under Stalin, the Soviet Union was severely persecuting Buddhism, specifically the Tibetan form as practiced among the Mongols within its borders and in its satellite, the People’s Republic of Mongolia (Outer Mongolia). In contrast, Japan was upholding Tibetan Buddhism in Inner Mongolia, which it had annexed as part of Manchukuo, its puppet state in Manchuria. Claiming that Japan was Shambhala, the Imperial Government was trying to win the support of the Mongols under its rule for an invasion of Outer Mongolia and Siberia to create a pan-Mongol confederation under Japanese protection.

The Tibetan Government was exploring the possibility of also gaining protection from Japan in the face of the unstable situation. Japan and Germany had signed an Anti-Commintern Pact in 1936, declaring their mutual hostility toward the spread of international Communism. The invitation for the visit of an official delegation from Nazi Germany was extended in this context. In August 1939, shortly after the German expedition to Tibet, Hitler broke his pact with Japan and signed the Nazi-Soviet Pact. In September, the Soviets defeated the Japanese who had invaded Outer Mongolia in May. Subsequently, nothing ever materialized from the Japanese and German contacts with the Tibetan Government

So it's not like the Dalai Lama was supporting the Nazis.

Originally posted by blue bird
Are you telling me - you do not find Hubbard Scientology somewath offspring of Gurdijeff!?

Black Magicians(like L. Ron Hubbard) twist the teachings of Adepts of the White Lodge(like Gurdjieff), for the former's perverted ends, all the time.

( btw. regarding science fiction writtings - bouth sucks
Didn't you somewath dislike New Age?:

To clarify, the real New Age teachings are from the actual Avatar of Aquarius.

The mediums, kalkian personalities of the "Violet Flame", Scientology, "New Aeon of Horus", Elizabeth Claire Prophet, Kryon, Babalon, Celestine Prophecy, Sylvia Browne, Deepak Chopra, Osho, JJ Hurtak, Sai Baba, Wicca, Benjamin Creme, etc., etc., etc., false-prophets, have nothing to do with the authentic teachings of the actual New Age of Aquarius.

[edit on 8-3-2007 by Tamahu]

posted on Mar, 7 2007 @ 11:07 PM

The Revolution of the Dialectic

"Kalkian personalities are disrespectful, irreverant. This type of personality from these pseudo-esoteric and pseudo-occultist schools have lost not only the sense of authentic devotion and of true religiosity but also that of veneration for the ancient Patriarchs. In this manner, humanity (having been able to be directed by truly wise religions) has degenerated in its ridiculous pedantry, thus forming the Kalkian personality."

"Unquestionably, the Kalkian personalities are victims of self-deciet. They believe that they have achieved everything when indeed they have achieved nothing and what is worse is that they have lost their sense of veneration. They have forgotten the true and authentic religiosity." - Samael Aun Weor

posted on Mar, 21 2007 @ 09:47 AM

I was searching for less known German planes of WWII, and I found references to the “Black Sun”, the subject is vast, but please see some complementary information:
.Black Sun
. videos
- The Power of the Black Sun
- NeuGermania
- Expeditions

UFO Secrets of the SS Occult - Part 1 (following parts in YouTube)

Hope this will help for the discussion.

posted on Mar, 21 2007 @ 11:10 PM
I'm a skinhead and I don't believe in that racist bullcrap. There one race of humans, simply different colors, and that means nothing.

Anyway, I have heard of the Black Sun, but are they really very involved in esoteric teachings? It seems as if they were simply a dumb group of nazis that embraced their "evolutionary dominence".

posted on Jun, 6 2007 @ 05:15 AM
Book and video


I previously posted in ATS 2 resources that could be interesting to this thread, first is a book from Joseph P. Farrell in this post, the other book Reich of The Black Sun is available also online.

The video Secret Space in this post, parts 10 and after goes into Freemason subjects, with some relations to The Black Sun. The full video is available in this post.


posted on Jun, 23 2013 @ 03:51 AM
After nearly 10 years of being on the site, I find it odd that not one post has mentioned that there are still sites and places in existence today that could be sub branches or even lingering shadows of their previous counter parts.
[gratuitous link removed] is apparently the official organizations international website.

edit on 23-6-2013 by BlackSunSociety because: Link did not work

edit on 6/23/2013 by 12m8keall2c because: [gratuitous link removed]

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