Originally posted by blue bird
Tantra Dymond 'Vehicle' is occult and secret doctrine - very much like western alkhemy.
True indeed.
Regarding women - Adi Buddha is male. Naf said. It's about creating 'an androgynous being out of a woman means that her own feminine essence becomes subordinated to a masculine principle'.
Why don't you tell that to Kuntuzangpo/Samantabhadra and Kuntuzangmo/Samantabhadri, the androgynous Adi-Buddha?:
writes David Snellgrove, “known as the Wisdom-Maiden [prajna] and supposedly embodying this great perfection of wisdom, is in effect used as a means to an end, which is experienced by the yogi himself. Moreover, once he has mastered the requisite yoga techniques he has no need of a feminine partner, for the whole process is re-enacted within his own body. Thus despite the eulogies of women in these tantras and her high symbolic status , the whole theory and practice is given for the benefit of males” (Snellgrove, 1987, vol. 1, p. 287)"
David Snellgrove was a scholar not an Initiate, at least when that was written.
He may have even later recanted such statements.
If not, then he would have to eat his own words, if he could have received teachings from Machig Lobdron or Yeshe Tsogyal:
Chöd's special appeal for women
Chöd practice has had a special appeal for women, perhaps because it was largely founded by a woman saint (Machig Labdrön was the "Mother" of Chöd). All down through history, women have been spiritual leaders in the Chöd tradition. Besides having been created by Machig Labdrön herself, and also attributed to Princess Yeshe Tsogyal, other famous woman figures in the Chöd tradition include Shukseb Zangmo (1852-1953, herself considered to be an incarnation of Machig), Jomo Menmo (1248-1283), Jetsunma Mingyur Paldron (1699-1769, the daughter of Terdag Lingpa), Jetsunma Thinley Chodron, a teacher of Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo, and Sera Khadro Kunzang Wangmo (1899-1952). At the Shukseb Convent near Lhasa, more than one hundred Ka'gyu nuns still follow our tradition of the mKha'-'groi Gad-rGyangs Chöd, a practice revealed by the great mystic Jigme Lingpa.
And finnaly ist's about power of guru.
So what about that story?
Here's a version from the Karmapa's website:
kagyuoffice.org...
(FYI, that website^^^ is for the real Karmapa, not the phony one)
First of all, the version of that story you quoted from("Shadow of the Dalai Lama"), couldn't be literally true.
If it was, then how would he be able to Initiate Marpa without his limbs intact?
Looks like whoever wrote the "Shadow of the Dalai Lama", has a lot of karma to pay related to slander...
[edit on 7-3-2007 by Tamahu]
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