What is your ideal world and uptopia?

I know we are living in a world that we call our reality world but I bet most of you have dream't up an Idealistic world that we would like to live in and we all have our own idea of utopia. so what is your ideal world and utopia? What is the point of humanity and at the end of the day do we all want the same thing or heading for the same thing. There have been different ideologies and religions on the subject but what is it that you really want out of life? Sorry to sound deep but what is the point of it all? what is your philosophy?

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My perfect Ideal world is one where everyone can live in peace, all be neighbourly and helpful, the freedom to practice any relgion or cult as long as you don't impose your morale on other people who may not practice neither but their own moral foundation.

Would like to be able to live in a society where you can leave your doors unlocked at night and not worry about intruders who maybe dangerous, pertaining to guns and drugs, I believe if you want to ingest anything at all you should be allowed to, after all isn't that what a true free country allows one to do? ingest all the drugs you want even though I will think your a dumbbumb and wouldn't do it myself, but as long as you don't contaminate the air I also breathe or get in my personal space and infridge your drug use on me I don't care. guns shouldn't worry good people, only the bad guys, which is why I think all should carry them, just in case.

Look at new hampshire, many carry guns with them and the crime rate is next to nil.

In an ideal world we would all be smart enough to vote for independant statesmen and not 'politicians', any bills that hand a hint of legislating morality should be thrown out and the person who came up with the bill should have the three strike rule, and get him out of them if he fks up a third time.

In an ideal world power tripping people would hold independant jobs like garbagemen instead of sherrif's, we would have cool cops that weren't dicky, but wouldn't be hesitate to go after someone who was invading another person's space for personal gain.

There would be no state toll booths on the main highways, polluting waters would be a big no no and accountability would be put into action.

I could go on and on and on, but i'll cut it short. Unfortuneately our world and the people we live beside are very different from us, we can never have the perfect country, everybody thinks they're right and everybody thinks everyone else is stupid, some believe in pedophilia, some believe that murdering for self gratification is ok because their needs superceeds anything else, just like robbers and rapists. We can never have peace, but the more you dream about it the less hesitant you will be and your blood pressure will be lower... It's like replacing yoga...

My idea world is where we have a Constitution Party member as president and our government actually goes by the Constitution.

I can dream, can't I?

Originally posted by TrueLies
guns shouldn't worry good people, only the bad guys, which is why I think all should carry them, just in case.

Look at new hampshire, many carry guns with them and the crime rate is next to nil.

I believe your ?Utopia? would quickly turn into anarchy and chaos. I think everybody having guns is the last thing you would ask for when attempting a utopian society. Not to cut your ideas short, i agree with everything you mentioned; I just do not agree with the guns.

My personal perspective on the matter would be when we form an egalitarian society. I quiver when i think of the professional athletes and movie stars in our cultures that live such rich lives; and the millions of people who starve every single day. The stay at home mother who has to wait until Friday for the government cheque to come in to buy her kids groceries. And some punk with a cute smile is making six figure incomes. I am a huge fan of all major sports; i just do not agree with the incomes they welcome.

My other problem with our culture today is how everything is so materialistic. I am a major hippocrit in saying this because I am a materialist myself. Popularity in our schools are based on how well your dressed and not on the person itself; the way you look can really kickstart or hault progress at an early age. This will never happen; but this was the whole point. Day dream for alittle while and talk about your own utopian society.

Why cant we all just get along?

My Utopia is a dark and secretive world full of problems and disharmony. A 'perfect' world would be awful. For instance, there would be no need for ATS or meaningful debate as there would be no conspiracies, no issues, controversies or differing opinions.

*Shivers*

Seriously, I've never been too fond of utopias. Yes there are always things that can be improved but human perfection is an ideal that can never - by definition - be attained.

If you are always living for the world of tomorrow it often means you miss the world of today.

An Utopia, hum . . . when people don't need to believe in religion and world domination is not longer in the minds of our political leaders.

Well Utopia is something that can never exist on earth. Much like it is stated in the Matrix, humainty relies on society's imperfections. But the more freedom individuals can enjoy the closer to utopia they can be. My ideal would be based on a semi-populist, libertarian government. Government only involves it self when absolutely necessary, and the people have enough of a direct voice to maintain the government's position and keep it's influence from growing.

Basically imagine the U.S. prior to Vietnam, with a greater emphasis on states', local, and personal rights and a true respect and caring for the Constitution. With the people being given a direct voice on major government actions(constitutional amendments, tax dollar spending, laws, etc.).

Originally posted by abeyer
Well Utopia is something that can never exist on earth. Much like it is stated in the Matrix, humainty relies on society's imperfections. But the more freedom individuals can enjoy the closer to utopia they can be. My ideal would be based on a semi-populist, libertarian government. Government only involves it self when absolutely necessary, and the people have enough of a direct voice to maintain the government's position and keep it's influence from growing.
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Sounds a lot like New Zealand.

Personally if Mexico could deal with the poverty and garbage in the streets, it would approach utopia. I love the manana concept.

Actually utopia is a state of mind, not a place or condition. I know many people that are extremely happy even though their life to me looks terrible.

[edit on 4-11-2005 by whaaa]

I've thought about this concept more than a few times.

I would say that an ideal world is for 1, a world without borders. Be it one country that eventually conquers the world a world that unites idk.

I also belive that enviromentalism is a key to a peaceful world. A world where people explore fields and "the rainforest" for example for entertainment instead of a world that sits down and watches TV and discusses problems with our world for relief while being reliant on technology. I think a utopia world would need no media because there would be no bad news to report, thus no news.

I think if education for our children was all about teaching peace and love and nothing else it could lead to such a place.

I also believe that there would be no need for work because the only need for government would be to hand your daily needed food and drink and to provide you with transportaion to your field with your friends.

There would be no need for millitary because there would be nothing to fight of course.

I know this sounds very far out but this is my idea of a utopia society. I could go on but I will stop here before people bring on the flames.

Wow great question!
The world I dream of has no war, no money, no politics, and no pollution. Children can go into the streets without getting grabbed by some weirdo. Yes and you can leave the doors open at night. Familys get along great and don't fight.
It would be a world where everyone, EVERYONE works for the good of all. Everyone does their part, whether it is working , painting or raising kids, or whatever.
The sky is blue, its 70 degrees outside, sometimes raining sometimes sunny. My kids are happy and the neighbors are friendly.
And to finish it off, everyone (when they die) die's peacefully.

Where my family is happy and not in ridiculous debt. Where BSB doesn't need to rebel in music, and have tolie to their fans to save face because of AJ's Longest-long time fan(of 17 years ;me), where people can have a break from war and status quo lies. And America(USA), can become the democracy it was suppose to be.

And socialism is under control and the UN doesn't just have commentary coming from George Carlin, and this whole "NWO" idea and secret societies just become ancient lengends from a long time ago. Plus, people read, and think, and I don't look like a "weirdo" on two types of message boards.

Where people are happy, they can TRUST each other, and people aren't ridiculously paranoid, and aren't brainwashed by everyone to believe BS. Where thinking and speaking for yourself is fine and knowing how people are manipulated is as normal as it was in the 1770's. Getting into college is realistic and suplementing philosphy to help explain how to use concepts is considered normal and smart(duh! That's why the greeks did it.), and "weird" girls like me, can actually get a boyfirend, instead of obsessing over a boyband.

Even through I still think BSB is cool. Also, people respect their music, thier fans, me, and they get 15 grammys, and the Grammy people are fired and replaced with young people who listen to everything from American Standards to BSB, Emimen, Underground groups, to spanish CDs, and Hard-Satanic rock(which I hate, but whatever.), and have an open mind and realistic moral standards for music people.

Also, I'm rich, famous, a big time author, and I can stop being so self-involved.LOL

Also, I wouldn't need to edit my grammer on my posts on message boards.lol

[edit on 11/27/05 by bsbfan1]

Originally posted by Amethyst
My idea world is where we have a Constitution Party member as president and our government actually goes by the Constitution.

I can dream, can't I?

Also, me too. And BSB is more respected then the buttholes running the country.lolEspecially AJ, he's really a sweetheart from all I'VE HEARD.

There can never be such a thing as a eutopia, such a thing would directly cause a "Society of Saints" and begin to force a level of deviance onto people where there is none. [Durkheim.]

Society needs to shift, change, grow, expand with each passing generation to create a eutopia would to limit this growth and cause a society to stagnate - which is why so many fail.

People would see eachother as fellow human beings, not as competition or a means of exploitation.

Everyone would provide for themselves, thus eliminating a need for a monetary system and a chance for people to exploit consumers; no businesses or corporations, just individuals freely exchanging their own products.

Nobody could dictate how you're supposed to live your life or what to do. Everyone only controls themselves. Parents would be more of a source of guidance rather than authority figures.

The land would belong to nobody at all. There would be no borders. You could go wherever you wanted.

People could escape the society if they wanted and venture out as an individual, but a community (or collection of communities) would be there if you wanted to be more a part of "the masses".

The human population would be naturally in check. People wouldn't live so close together, thus eliminating a need for covenants. Resources wouldn't be a problem, either.

Everyone has a means of self defense, so people think twice before they violate your personal rights.

Education is an individualized thing, where you only seek scholars if you need help on understanding things. You would do it all in your own time. You wouldn't even have to do it if that was what you wanted.

Technology would mainly be used for practical purposes (agriculture, lighting, information, etc.) there would be no mass media/pop culture type thing, or "entertainment".

People only have responsibility for themselves and the rights of others.

There can be utopia on earth, and it is attainable, and soon we will have it.

all that is needed is the total obliteration of humanity.

resulting in peace at last.

Some of you think I am kidding.

lol, ironically true, considering most people think of peace as peace for humanity.

Planet America

But seriously folks those of you wishing for total freedom may wish to know that that only becomes possible when you invent technology that makes every human self sufficient.

Humans are social creatures and no individual can become totally free without going mad because social relationships and human political and economic systems depend on coercion, force and commands.

You'll only ever be free when they invent AI's and nanotech, so that you can have someone to talk to who doesn't shackle you with relationship demands and so that you can survive and enjoy a nice lifestyle by yourself.

A world where every human is completely aware and intelligent as to thought, perception and causality. A world where people are independant, and they see others as independant humans. Independance being totally freedom of thought, no control structure, and no cultural influences. Every person is taught reasoning and left to form their own reality, not given or forced one. If this respect, people would probably work together for their own benfit but they, if required, would not have to. Society would control itself because it is comprised of people who care about their self rewards, but understand what it brings, and what it cannot.

This will never occur because people cannot be intelligent.

My idea of a utopian world, well has many parts, so I'll split my post up into the different sections.


ECONOMY:
Money does not exist, people work to better themselves and humanity as a whole.

TECHNOLOGY:
Technological advancements are not suppressed for aby reason, but embraces and used to their fullest potential.

SCIENCE:
Science like technology is not suppresed or manipulated, new scientific theories that don't fit in with current science theory are not looked on as implausable and criticised(SP?), but looked on as possible advancements and tested to the fullest possible extent.

RELIGION:
People are free to believe whatever they want, as long as they do not force it on other people, there is no such thing as organised religion, it is a personal thing.

SOCIETY:
Discrimination does not exist, people are accepted by everyone else regardless of religion, skin color, gender, sexual preference, personal beliefs etc.

WEAPONS:
People are free to own any kind of weapons apart from chemical, nuclear, anti-matter and anything even more destructive. People do not own weapons for defensive or offensive purposes, but solely for recreational purposes. Weapons technology is developed, but solely for defensive purposes, such as to stop asteroids and such.

ENVIRONMENT:
Technology that pollutes the environment is altered to do it's job without harming the environment. The energy needs of the planet are fed by green energy production technology/techniques. Everything that is recyclable is recycled, and everyone recycles. The disposal of non-recyclable waste does not hurt the environment, or cause large unseenly dump sites.

GOVERNMENT:
Nations no longer exist, the world has a planetary governing system.
The government does not have a large amount of power. The government is controlled by everyone. It is a fair system. The government plays very little role in anything. All government officials are elected by the world population.

MILITARY:
There is a military, but it's only use is purely for self-defense.
The military does not have specificly trained individuals, all people have enough rudimentally education in the area for anyone to be part of the military.

EDUCATION:
All people receive an education in the neccesary things to survive without any further education. People are free to choose when they want to leave the educational system, after they have learned the basics to survive.

CAREERS:
People chose what they want to do in life, and than go to educational facilities specific in that field.

MORALS:
Morals are viewed as simply creations of the human mind.
People do not have morals, they live by the idea of freedome for all, regardless.



That is my idea of a perfect world.
I have a feeling there are some things I am forgetting though, but I suppose what I have put is a good amount of information as it is.

Me as benevolent dictator. Trust me

It'd be like Spilledbeans idea mostly, but I'll make sure we have cool stuff too.

[edit on 2/3/06 by byhiniur]