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Chinese space mission was because of Russian help

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posted on Jun, 5 2005 @ 05:59 AM
Russia played a significant role in helping China prepare for its first manned space mission, its experts providing training facilities for cosmonauts and the Soyuz spaceship inspiring China's Shenzhu spacecraft, officials said.
Russian enterprises have been cooperating with China in space construction since the late 1950s," Yury Grigoriev, deputy technical director at the Russian space constructor RKK Energia, told AFP.

Preparing the manned flight, scheduled for between October 15 and 17, "the Chinese respected the principle that all the technical equipment must be produced in China," said Grigoriev, responsible for the construction of manned vessels and orbital modules.

"Taking our landing capsule as a basis, they created their own capsule," Grigoriev said. The Chinese spacecraft is "different from the Soyuz."

Where the Soyuz orbital module -- the section manned by cosmonauts during the flight -- burns up in the atmosphere on re-entry after detaching itself from the landing capsule, the Shenzhu's orbital module can continue to fly independently and can be considered as "the predecessor of an orbiting station, " he said.

The Star City training centre for cosmonauts near Moscow trained two future Chinese cosmonauts, or "taikonauts," Wu Jie and Li Jinlong, from November 1996 to November 1997, the centre's deputy director Andrei Maiboroda told AFP.

"We hope everything will go fine and that China will become the third member of the "space pilots' club" after Russia and the United States, he said.

Maiboroda said that Wu had trained as a mission commander and Li as an engineer aboard simulators of the Soyuz spaceship and the Mir space station.

The Chinese studied the theory of space flight, navigation, onboard management systems and space medicine. They also had physical and survival training for extreme environments in case they land in a forest or on water, he said.

The taikonauts passed all of their exams at the center "with good marks," Mairoboda said.

The training course "enabled the Chinese to set up their own training centre" on their return, where around a dozen cosmonauts have been trained, he noted.

Between June and August 1998, a group of four Chinese doctors trained at Star City to learn about space medicine.

"Russia's role in developing the Chinese space medicine sector was considerable." Russian expert Igor Lisov said.

Russian reporters in the Chinese capital said that Russian space officials had asked to be invited to the Shenzhu launch but were turned down.


The Shenzhou, or ``Divine Vessel,'' is based on the three-seat Russian Soyuz capsule, though with extensive modifications.

"Often, we are asked, 'Did Russia nourish the Chinese cosmonauts?' I have to say that Russia has fed all the world's space programs'' Moiseyev said.


Chinese astronauts spent months undergoing rigorous physical training at the Russia Cosmonaut Training Center in Star City, near Moscow, she said. There, they experienced the high temperatures and body-wrenching gravitational forces of takeoff and landing and the weightlessness and discomfort of thickening blood in zero-gravity in preparation for their flight, Tereshkova said


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posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 09:26 AM
Hmm.. China has now launced the Shenzhou 6

posted on Oct, 17 2005 @ 08:10 AM
Even if ALL your claims are right,so what?

DO USA build Space station alone?internatioal space station,right?

USA borrowed alot from others after its founding,even
its constitution(from UK)

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posted on Oct, 17 2005 @ 10:26 AM
USA, the USSR and ESA all based their early rockets on the German V2.

China's Long March was designed by Tsien Hsue-shen who was a leading rocket scientist in USA before they locked him up because they thought he was a commie! (well done America!)

Anyway, when Tsien Hsue-shen was released in 1955 he went to China to build their rocket programme from scratch using everything he'd learnt from Von Braun etc.

Bottom line, everyone has copied everyone else, it's not where the knowledge comes from who puts it to the best use and at the moment the Chinese are.

posted on Oct, 17 2005 @ 10:27 AM
Is this really a shock? *knock knock* Hello?

The capsule is a Soyuz with modifications. China has never tried to hide that

posted on Oct, 17 2005 @ 01:01 PM
Like basically everyone has said. The whole American space program was built from German Scientist's from the Second World War. A lot of achievements made in America are often through foreign help/means. So there’s not really much point in saying that China is stealing or copying other countries tech. America did exactly the same, just 50-100 years ago.

posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 03:55 AM
[SIZE=5]Russia's space technology institute boss spying for China[/SIZE]

MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- The head of a rocket and space technology company linked to Russia's space agency has been arrested on espionage charges and accused of delivering sensitive technology to China in violation of state export controls, the Federal Security Service said Monday.

Igor Reshetin, director of TsNIIMASH-Export, is charged with the illegal transfer of state-controlled technology to a Chinese company, according to the press service of the Federal Security Service, or FSB.

Reshetin is also charged with stealing 30 million rubles ($1 million, 850,000 euros) through a scheme involving fake companies and falsified documents, and two of his deputies are charged in connection with the alleged theft, it said.

The company -- owned by the state-controlled Central Research Institute for Machine Building, known by the acronym TsNIIMASH -- declined to comment and referred questions to a lawyer who could not immediately be reached. TsNIIMASH officials also declined to comment.

TsNIIMASH is a research institute of the Russian space agency, Rosaviakosmos, agency spokesman Vyacheslav Davidenko said. He said the space agency would not comment on the case Monday.

TsNIIMASH-Export is based outside Moscow in the town of Korolyov -- a space industry center that is home to the mission control facility for Russian space flights. Its Web site says it was established in 1991 and has fulfilled more than 120 contracts with space organizations and enterprises.

Operating license obtained in 1996
According to the site, the company has been operating under a license from Rosaviakosmos since 1996. It lists one of its main activities as "long-term cooperation with U.S., European and Chinese aerospace organizations."

The FSB identified the Chinese entity to which Reshetin allegedly delivered the technology in violation of state controls as TOCHMA -- a Russian acronym for Precision Engineering -- which it said was an export-import corporation. It did not say what the technology was.

The ITAR-Tass news agency reported that the charges might have involved what it said was a 1996 deal in which TsNIIMASH-Export was to provide the Chinese company with a report on technologies that can be used in building manned spacecraft.

Russia sold China the technology that formed the basis of its manned space program, which launched a two-man crew last month on its second successful orbital mission. China has become the biggest foreign customer for Russia's weapons industry.

Last year, a Russian physicist was convicted of spying for China and sentenced to 14 years in prison for providing allegedly sensitive information that he argued was not classified and said had been published in part in scientific magazines.

The physicist, Valentin Danilov, was initially acquitted but was retried and convicted last November in what human rights groups said was a crackdown by Russian authorities on scholars. his sentence was later reduced by one year.

The FSB said Reshetin was charged October 25. It said he and the other suspects -- his deputy, Sergei Tverdokhlebov and an assistant, Alexander Rozhkin -- were being held in custody because of the severity of the charges and because they allegedly tried to pressure people involved in the case.

posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 04:07 AM

Originally posted by wdl
USA before they locked him up because they thought he was a commie! (well done America!)

They assumed he's a commie, because only the soviets could make good rockets

So true lol.

Anyway....why is Russia helping China so much really, are they even getting paid for it? China has always been misleading and even fought with Russia....still wants Syberia (though there's no way in hell they can get it) and they got spies everywhere.

Russia trusts them too much.


posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 04:18 AM
and why does it matter if China is getting some help from one of its ally for their own space program? mabey, i should put down 100x articles relating to how India needs Russia for its aircrafts and how they begg with billions to get them?.

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posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 05:46 AM
Absolutely nothing, the US must be pissed though, they spent many decades and countless billions in research, and now others can get it much easier from Russia.

This is why I'd think Russia wouldn't really allow them to have that much, not because the US is pissed, but just because they want to be at the top.

Now my main point was, is China really a Russian ally, or are they just sucking up to Russia to get the tech?

posted on Nov, 17 2005 @ 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Manincloak
Now my main point was, is China really a Russian ally, or are they just sucking up to Russia to get the tech?

- I think, like many countries, the more correct term would not really be 'ally' but 'cooperative partner', sometimes.
When interests converge sufficiently they are happy to both benefit by acting together.

I think ideas of allies against the west in the old (pre their big falling out) cold war model are just redundant (as are silly notions of 'sucking up').

China is not backward country (for instance they recently bought IBM's PC computer business and are now to be a major supplier of components for Boeing aircraft) and is not exactly short of people looking to pursue mutually beneficial commercial and military projects.

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posted on Dec, 1 2005 @ 12:09 PM
If anyone is worrying about Russian technology transfer to China this should be the last thing they worry about imo.
The Chinese are buying so much ( with the tech transfer that happens) that some prominent Russian generals have had some nasty comments to make about the relative speed of it all.....


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