To save Democracy some Dems say they won't certify Trump if he wins

originally posted by: Kenzo

Well look`s like Republicans are bragging " to end democracy "


Far-right influencer calls for ‘end of democracy’ at CPAC as Republicans downplay January 6

LOL he's overthrowing Democrat's "Democracy". 😃

“They say democracy, but they mean authoritarianism, and they know it,” he said.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

Are you equally as disgusted by Trump hatching a plan to send fake electors to the capitol? Are you equally as disgusted by Trump stating he was going to suspend the constitution to stay in power?

You should be.

Democrats want America to BE a democracy where the majority rules over all.

But America has never been a democracy. The DNC has perverted the system and lied about it for years always saying we are a democracy, and saying we are a democracy used to just mean we do things democratically, like voting for our leaders.

If they lie to all the people long enough and people believe it like what has happened, then every news reporter and sycophant will parrot that we are a democracy.

What the democrat party does in it's words and actions shows all people watching them closely, that they seek to rule over all using majority rule which is what a democracy actually is. It used to simply mean "democratic" style of government.

What the current democrat party does is seek a majority ruling government, not a constitutional representative republic.

They always accuse the republican party of that which they themselves do. Just like when Hillary lost. "Don't certify him!"

When they win using ballots counted 10 times each and republicans expose it, "they (republicans) are election deniers!"

And now they want to save "democracy" by denying it altogether for the opposition, but keep it for themselves.

This is a grave insult to all Americans on both or any side. It is subversion, insurrection, and treason all rolled into one big disgusting package of DNC filth. DNC headquarters needs to be redecorated on the outside in tar and feathers.

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie

originally posted by: Disgusted123
Just to clarify, and nuance is important.

"Several senior Democrats told The Atlantic they would not certify a Trump victory in November if the Supreme Court does not clearly rule on his eligibility."

They are tacitly saying only Democrats are fit to rule the US and if the American people and Supreme Court disagree, they will take the country anyway. Because they have implied quite strongly and openly, that only Democrats know what is best for the nation. Isn't that also correct?
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No, that's not correct. They are saying that Donald Trump in particular is not fit to rule, because he's an insurrectionist. If Nikki Haley or anyone else were the candidate, for example, this would not be an issue.

The charge in Trump's second impeachment was "incitement of insurrection". The House voted 232–197 that "Trump incited the attack on the Capitol in Washington, D.C. while Congress was convened to count the electoral votes and certify the victory of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris."

The Senate voted 57–43 to convict Trump of inciting insurrection falling short of the 2/3 majority needed for removal of office.

Both houses agreed by a simple majority vote that Trump committed insurrection, including members of the Republican Party in both houses.

Whether you agree with it or not, that's the argument--Congress already found Trump guilty of insurrection by a preponderance of evidence (which is the standard required in a civil case). That finding does not apply to any other human being on the planet.

a reply to: VoiceofReality

And Trump got slapped down for it by both sides. I don't see Democrats saying what they're planning is wrong, just excuses about "saving Democracy".

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: theatreboy
B. We don NOT have a democracy, we are a republic.

Correct. Democrats keep saying we have a democracy. We do not.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all,"

Rather a moot point whether we're a democracy or republic anyway. Democrats no longer believe in either concept. They believe in a one-party authoritarian state like China has. That's what they're working towards. They want the common citizen to have no power and no say. Our betters will control everything.

Hell, they don't even want America to be great.

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie

originally posted by: Disgusted123
Just to clarify, and nuance is important.

"Several senior Democrats told The Atlantic they would not certify a Trump victory in November if the Supreme Court does not clearly rule on his eligibility."

They are tacitly saying only Democrats are fit to rule the US and if the American people and Supreme Court disagree, they will take the country anyway. Because they have implied quite strongly and openly, that only Democrats know what is best for the nation. Isn't that also correct?
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No, that's not correct. They are saying that Donald Trump in particular is not fit to rule, because he's an insurrectionist. If Nikki Haley or anyone else were the candidate, for example, this would not be an issue.

The charge in Trump's second impeachment was "incitement of insurrection". The House voted 232–197 that "Trump incited the attack on the Capitol in Washington, D.C. while Congress was convened to count the electoral votes and certify the victory of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris."

The Senate voted 57–43 to convict Trump of inciting insurrection falling short of the 2/3 majority needed for removal of office.

Both houses agreed by a simple majority vote that Trump committed insurrection, including members of the Republican Party in both houses.

Whether you agree with it or not, that's the argument--Congress already found Trump guilty of insurrection by a preponderance of evidence (which is the standard required in a civil case). That finding does not apply to any other human being on the planet.

Your reply shows you are denying democracy then, because if Trump wins, then it means a majority of the people has decided that he will be President, and you as a minority can't have an opinion once the votes are counted showing he won. Since you already are, it shows you are a LIAR of the highest caliber and you can't even follow your own rules. You only respect the rules your side makes for itself if you win, but not respect the will of the majority votes if you lose.

You have been exposed. (again and again). You lose.

a reply to: Boomer1947

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

originally posted by: VoiceofReality
a reply to: TheSingleBillie

Are you equally as disgusted by Trump hatching a plan to send fake electors to the capitol? Are you equally as disgusted by Trump stating he was going to suspend the constitution to stay in power?

You should be.

They were trying to select alternate electors, which is legal IF done properly.

Show me one video or direct quote in context where he actually says he wants to suspend the constitution.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

What happens if Trump loses this time around?

a reply to: Klassified

Show me one video or direct quote in context where he actually says he wants to suspend the constitution.

He posted it on Truth Social.

Here’s the entire post:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"

www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: Allaroundya4k

Our nation continues to spiral down like it has been doing for the last 3 years.

Do you really want Biden back in ? Or Newsom, Obama, .....

Are you happy with the way things are ? Are you happy with how the Democrats have ran this country into the ground ?

Do you want this to continue ?

a reply to: Boomer1947

At most, Trump should be accused of inciting a rebellion. At the very least he should be known as leading a civil resistance.

Let me explain, a civil resistance is nonviolent, but also known as upholding their country's constitutional system against a government that was unlawful. I think this fits what actually happened as close as possible. Yes there was a resistance, nonviolent can be debated. You could claim breaking windows and breaking into the capitol was violance. We can go back and forth all day about who died that day, the only person I'm 100% convinced died that day was Ashley.

At most Trump could be accused of inciting a rebellion. A rebellion would consist of a coordinated effort to overthrow a state by the civilian population to gain control of said state. In this case since it happened in the nations capital, it could be seen as trying to take control of the country by taking the capital. The word coordinated here is key, if anything it was a rag tag group of protestors but it was technically coordinated. Trump asked them to come to the capital and he also instructed them to march to the capital.

This wasn't was an insurrection. An insurrection needs to have coordination and it needs to be an armed rebellion. At most it was a half ass coordination effort and it clearly wasn't armed.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Can you show me in the Constitution where we are supposed to accept fraudulent elections?

TVM

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie

originally posted by: Disgusted123
Just to clarify, and nuance is important.

"Several senior Democrats told The Atlantic they would not certify a Trump victory in November if the Supreme Court does not clearly rule on his eligibility."

They are tacitly saying only Democrats are fit to rule the US and if the American people and Supreme Court disagree, they will take the country anyway. Because they have implied quite strongly and openly, that only Democrats know what is best for the nation. Isn't that also correct?
.........

No, that's not correct. They are saying that Donald Trump in particular is not fit to rule, because he's an insurrectionist. If Nikki Haley or anyone else were the candidate, for example, this would not be an issue.

Know what, with their track record lately and their #1 platform being:




I really don't believe you that they would not try to do this to Nikki Hailey, they'd find something to begin impeachment hearings on in the first month if nothing else.

The vast majority of Democrats are saying if you don't vote Democrat you are destroying democracy as their #1 campaign issue, implying only they are fit to rule over the nation.

If they do this they are giving the middle finger to "the people" and those who voted.
They are giving the middle finger to the Supreme Court if they do this.
And attempting a coup in my opinion, an insurrection, and possibly worst case scenario, purposely inciting a civil war.

The Democrats are clearly running on how they are the only party fit to rule the idiot masses.
Because they really and truly believe they are so superior, so wise, so all caring and all knowing that they must be the ones to tell the little people who don't know any better how to live their lives. What to not to buy - gas stoves, furnaces, lawn equipment: How to raise their kids - take kids from parents and put the kids in foster care because the parents aren't gender sensitive enough. Have the FBI investigate parents who disagree with liberal policies at school board meetings. You know little things like that.

a reply to: DAVID64

I want change and that won't happen with either party or their chosen spokesman.

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

What happens if Trump loses this time around?

We get to the next bubble to burst... the US Dollar.

By design.

Lots of people die.

What is left will rebuild.

The upside of that is we won't have to listen to liberals screaming about "Democracy" anymore.

“To save democracy” LOL. We don’t live in a democracy.
a reply to: TheSingleBillie

a reply to: VoiceofReality

No. He was planning for when Congress sent it back like they should have. Look into the 2000 election and how they were able to get it done when it was the Bushes.

a reply to: Boomer1947

Anyone who still says 1/6 was an Insurrection should not be able to drive let alone vote because the mental capacity for both are not there.

FBI said no. An Actual Senate Investigation said no. You cannot call someone an insurrectionist if they never did it but it does not stop most of you calling Trump a rapist when it never happened.

So programmed and full of hate.

The Floyd Summer of 2020 was 10000% worse than what occurred on 1/6. The week of protesting after Trumps inauguration. The Faithless Electors. Those in the House who would not move forward with the vote. Were they Insurrectionists?

It is really gonna suck for a lot of you when he win this year.