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WHO monitoring Europe COVID resurgence.. Because of steep decline in booster intakes.

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posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3




In terms of the mRNA vaccines I think any person with a healthy amount of skepticism will reject getting these products that are untested and their safety hasn't been established as it take years for this to happen.


Most vax aren't trialled for years. In the case of things like a seasonal flu shot we're talking weeks sometimes.

Where I come from we've done thorough due diligence with the mRNA vax, it's passed all of our safety trials, and it's been found to be both safe and effective. I guess that we just have a more efficient system than you as ours is not political.


It hasn't passed anything. That's your own unsubstantiated opinion. It takes years to establish vaccine safety and effectiveness.

Do you know the short, medium, or long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio in all age groups?
Tell me then about the medium and long term effects, if you know.

Impossible to know the medium and long term effects. We are only seeing the short term effects and as a result Dr Ladapo has recommended that 18-39 year old males should not take the mRNA vaccines due to highly increased chance of dying from heart failure.

I see in the other threads you have tried to downplay this recommendation and the evidence emerging but this is nothing more than vaccine apologetics and denialist of reality.

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posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 06:25 AM
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originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: glen200376


I have a friend who did that in February of this year...

Got his flu shot and covid booster the same day. He started throwing up a couple hours late, and kept that up for about 12 hour. The next day he had no appetite, and hasn't since. He has to force himself to eat, and he has lost 15 pounds since that day. I tried my best to warn him about the covid "vaccine," but he didn't listen.


Does this guy have a name, did he post about his experiences on a social media account that can be confirmed to exist before covid, does he have a gofundme to cover expenses?

Neither the flu shot nor the vax are known to cause vomiting. Though anxiety is. Could be that he simply had a panic attack after you told him that he was going to glow in the dark.


Again the last paragraph is a reflection of your own opinion which is unsubstantiated as usual. No evidence given other than your opinion
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posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3



Again the last paragraph is a reflection of your own opinion which is unsubstantiated as usual. No evidence given other than your opinion


Again?

You seem to think that I've said this before.

But, of course, it's not merely my opinion. It's demonstratable science.

Some people will feel a little nauseous after getting a vaccine, but prolonged periods of vomiting as you are describing are not a known side effect of either the flu shot or the covid vax.

Anxiety is however known to cause vomiting Link

I'd say that having someone like you fill somebody's head with doom porn could very well cause anxiety.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3

Surely you could use vaers or the yellow card sysyem to show just how many people have vommiting after vomiting?

That would be better than just you saying he is wrong.

It ends the question then.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:13 AM
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originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3



Again the last paragraph is a reflection of your own opinion which is unsubstantiated as usual. No evidence given other than your opinion


Again?

You seem to think that I've said this before.

But, of course, it's not merely my opinion. It's demonstratable science.

Some people will feel a little nauseous after getting a vaccine, but prolonged periods of vomiting as you are describing are not a known side effect of either the flu shot or the covid vax.

Anxiety is however known to cause vomiting Link

I'd say that having someone like you fill somebody's head with doom porn could very well cause anxiety.


There are unsubstantiated claims in regards to the vaccine adverse and serious adverse reactions. All I see is vaccine apology and denialism of the fact they these vaccines are not safe as they haven't been proven to be safe.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:16 AM
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That's your own unsubstantiated opinion.


No, it's the declaration of the authorities where I come from. Our system is simply more efficient than yours because it's not political.



Do you know the short, medium, or long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio in all age groups?
Tell me then about the medium and long term effects, if you know.


Yes, yes, and yes. They're actually on the CDC website.

To summarize: 1 in 3000 chance of cold and flu like symptoms persisting for 3-5 days. 1 in 5000 chance of mild heart swelling predominantly in young males. 1 in 50,000 chance of serious heart swelling, predominantly in young males. 1 in 11,000 chance of mild clotting (with the AstraZeneca shot primarily in young women), 1 in 110,000 of moderate clotting (primarily with the AstraZeneca vax in women).

See the sources in my signature for the Israeli study and the NAU risk study.




Impossible to know the medium and long term effects.


Medium term is 6 months, long term is 1 year. It's been almost 2 years now and no effects have been observed beyond the two month mark (See signature for sources).



Dr Ladapo has recommended that 18-39 year old males should not take the mRNA vaccines due to highly increased chance of dying from heart failure.


The Israeli study (see signature) says that the risk is 1 in 5000 chances for mild symptoms requiring bed rest, and 1 in 50,000 requiring interventions. The chances of actually dying are so minute as to only be noticeable due to over a billion vaxes having been given.



this is nothing more than vaccine apologetics and denialist of reality.


If you look at the actual report that your link was based on it never actually determines that the vax was the cause.



This study cannot determine the causative nature of a participant’s death. We used death certificate
data and not medical records. COVID testing status was unknown for those who did not die of/with
COVID. Cardiac-related deaths were ascertained if an ACME code of I3-I52 were on their death
certificate, thus, the underlying cause of death may not be cardiac-related.


Notably, it doesn't filter for comorbidity. So it's quite possible that the data shows that people who are at greater risk are more likely to get vaxxed, not that people who get vaxxed are more likely to die.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3

Unsubstantiated counter claim is all I see here.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Surely you could use vaers or the yellow card sysyem to show just how many people have vommiting after vomiting?

That would be better than just you saying he is wrong.

It ends the question then.


That would mean that they would have to do something that I could fact check. Which is exactly what they're avoiding doing.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3



Again the last paragraph is a reflection of your own opinion which is unsubstantiated as usual. No evidence given other than your opinion


Again?

You seem to think that I've said this before.

But, of course, it's not merely my opinion. It's demonstratable science.

Some people will feel a little nauseous after getting a vaccine, but prolonged periods of vomiting as you are describing are not a known side effect of either the flu shot or the covid vax.

Anxiety is however known to cause vomiting Link

I'd say that having someone like you fill somebody's head with doom porn could very well cause anxiety.


There are unsubstantiated claims in regards to the vaccine adverse and serious adverse reactions. All I see is vaccine apology and denialism of the fact they these vaccines are not safe as they haven't been proven to be safe.


Check the link in the comment, and in my signature. I've substantiated everything.

It's statistically more likely that you scared somebody badly enough that they suffered anxiety than the vax causing this.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Surely you could use vaers or the yellow card sysyem to show just how many people have vommiting after vomiting?

That would be better than just you saying he is wrong.

It ends the question then.


Vaccine apology and denialism of facts aren't the best possible ways to promote or defend the mRNA vaccines. You may want to have a look at the current developments where Dr Ladapo has recommended that mRNA vaccines should not be taken by 18-39 year old males due to the high increase in cardiac related deaths.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3

Thats just spouting some more lol.

Post some fact or figures, post some data.

otherwise your just doing that thing where you spam everything with whatever quack or outdated article you have stuck in your brain today.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:24 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Unsubstantiated counter claim is all I see here.


It's all you want to see.

Have a look at he recommendations by Dr Malhotra and Dr Ladapo.

One is asking for the suspension of the vaccination program the other for 18-39 year males not to use the mRNA vaccines.

It seems that vaccine safety is something you understand differently in relation to these scientists.

But again vaccine apology and denialism are not good tactics.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: Asmodeus3

I really don't have the time to look at anymore of the fringe crackpots you seem to idolise today.

Data, use data not ducks.

Quack quack.




posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Thats just spouting some more lol.

Post some fact or figures, post some data.

otherwise your just doing that thing where you spam everything with whatever quack or outdated article you have stuck in your brain today.


The article is only quack in your opinion. Neither is is outdated. It dates 7th of October 2022

content.govdelivery.com...



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:30 AM
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Limitations
These data are preliminary, based on surveillance data, and should be interpreted with caution. The
results have several limitations:
While this method has been used to assess risk of death following COVID-19 vaccination,2
it violates the
assumption that an event does not affect subsequent exposure (for mRNA vaccines), which may
introduce bias.
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Further, it does not consider the multidose vaccination schedule required for mRNA
vaccination.
This study cannot determine the causative nature of a participant’s death. We used death certificate
data and not medical records. COVID testing status was unknown for those who did not die of/with
COVID. Cardiac-related deaths were ascertained if an ACME code of I3-I52 were on their death
certificate, thus, the underlying cause of death may not be cardiac-related.
The finding that the Janssen vaccine was more protective than mRNA vaccine against mortality within 28
days of vaccination could be due to confounding and needs to be further evaluated. It is likely that the
populations who received COVID-19 mRNA vaccine and the Johnson vaccine are different, something we
were not able to ascertain in this analysis. It is possible that the population who received the Johnson
vaccine was younger and healthier than those receiving the mRNA vaccines. The Pfizer and Moderna
mRNA vaccines were released more than 2 months earlier than the Janssen vaccine when the
recommendations were limited to those 65 and older.
Additional studies should be conducted to further understand the risks and benefits of vaccination of
males between 25-39. Increased risk in the primary analysis for the 25 - 39 age group was based on a
small sample size. Additionally, significant mortality from diagnosed COVID-19 infection occurred among
all adult age groups. COVID-19 mortality among asymptomatic or undiagnosed COVID-19 infection is less
clear. However, excess overall mortality among 25–44-year-old Americans was significant in a study1
looking at mortality from January 2020-October 2020. The largest increases were among Hispanic and
Latino. It is unclear what the contribution of asymptomatic or undiagnosed COVID-19 infection is to
mortality risk, and how this contributes to excess mortality.
1 www.cdc.gov...
Confounding by age may be present in the 60 years or older age group, which may explain the slight
elevated risk for cardiac-related deaths following vaccination. This may also explain the increased risk
for the entire vaccination analysis group for cardiac-related deaths since this group comprises the vast
majority of deaths. Removing those aged 60 years or older yielded non-significant results for cardiacrelated deaths following vaccination (RI = 1.15, 95% CI = 0.99 - 1.34), mRNA vaccination (RI = 1.17, 95%
CI = 1.00 - 1.37), and males with mRNA vaccination (RI = 1.09, 95% CI = 0.89 - 1.34).
Lastly, this analysis was conducted during the first months the vaccines were available. Both COVID-19
mortality due to infection or risk of mortality associated with vaccination have likely changed over time.
In the fall of 2022, most people have either been vaccinated or have natural immunity to COVID-19.
Many have had multiple vaccine doses, multiple infections or both. Research to assess the current risks
and benefits of the COVID-19 vaccine to help update vaccine recommendations should be studied in this
context.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:33 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I really don't have the time to look at anymore of the fringe crackpots you seem to idolise today.

Data, use data not ducks.

Quack quack.



All studies have limitations.
Not a valid argument to present in order to defend a vaccine for which its safety hasn't been established and can cause harm as it seems to young and healthy people.
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posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:44 AM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I really don't have the time to look at anymore of the fringe crackpots you seem to idolise today.

Data, use data not ducks.

Quack quack.



All studies have limitations.
Not a valid argument to present in order to defend a vaccine for which its safety hasn't been established and can cause harm as it seems to young and healthy people.


This study is inherently flawed because it doesn't factor vax uptake against comorbidity.

Or, to put it another way, this study may simply be recording that people who have a history of heart disease are more likely to get vaxxed, not that people are more likely to suffer heart disease after getting vaxxed.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:48 AM
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originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Thats just spouting some more lol.

Post some fact or figures, post some data.

otherwise your just doing that thing where you spam everything with whatever quack or outdated article you have stuck in your brain today.


The article is only quack in your opinion. Neither is is outdated. It dates 7th of October 2022

content.govdelivery.com...


You didn't read the study, did you.

It openly says that it cannot demonstrate cuasality.



posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: glen200376


I have a friend who did that in February of this year...

Got his flu shot and covid booster the same day. He started throwing up a couple hours late, and kept that up for about 12 hour. The next day he had no appetite, and hasn't since. He has to force himself to eat, and he has lost 15 pounds since that day. I tried my best to warn him about the covid "vaccine," but he didn't listen.


Does this guy have a name, did he post about his experiences on a social media account that can be confirmed to exist before covid, does he have a gofundme to cover expenses?

Neither the flu shot nor the vax are known to cause vomiting. Though anxiety is. Could be that he simply had a panic attack after you told him that he was going to glow in the dark.


As early as February 2021, a doctor said that 3 percent were vomiting after the vaccine.

In fact, it is currently being listed as one of the frequent or typical side effects

www.google.com...=true

If the link doesn't come up, just Google it. It's plastered everywhere for those who know how to read.


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posted on Oct, 9 2022 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: AaarghZombies

Man...

you truly are an ass. This is one of my best friends, someone I have known for the better part of forty years, who has a disabled adult daughter he and his wife care for 24/7. He thought he would be protecting her by getting vaccinated because he bought that bull# guilt trip hook line and sinker.

You talk with such confidence about # you know nothing about.




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