CALIFORNIA is in big trouble!

California AND vegas are in deep doodoo

a reply to: nugget1

miscalculated that amount by thousands of board feet more than was actually there.

That explains the lumber prices. Sheesh

originally posted by: lordcomac
Mark my words, they'll be talking about fresh water pipelines from the east coast great lakes soon.

I should stick up again, I had to dump my water stores during a relocation.

They will bring up that idea again I'm sure, however, the Great Lakes are not on the east coast my friend, this is the mid west, formerly called the Northwest Territory by treaty, now known as the Great Lakes States or Region.

I joined ATS when the State of Michigan wanted to place our ground waters (my well water rights) into a state trust. Unfortunately, the surface waters are in such a trust and the Great Lakes themselves under federal trust and other laws. From what I've read, the Chinese are already shipping out Great Lakes water by the ship load in addition to certain bottled water facilities taking local ground water.

I like my well water and I'll fight tooth and nail to keep it my right as a property owner.

ETA: Why don't they manage the Mississippi River better and divert that out west?

originally posted by: Terims
Though a site called "Before its news" I learned that during the trump administration the White Hats has taken control of the satellite system that was controlling the weather. That year it rained like it normally does for Southern California. It appears as if they have another satellite now! Ma reply to: GoShredAK

Before It's News is a known hoax site.

likewise, your fearmongering regarding the dam is BS, as proven by dam repair project info provided by putnam6.

this thread shouldn't be here.

originally posted by: Terims
Though a site called "Before its news" I learned that during the trump administration the White Hats has taken control of the satellite system that was controlling the weather. That year it rained like it normally does for Southern California. It appears as if they have another satellite now! Ma reply to: GoShredAK

If they are controlling the weather as you say then what they are essentially doing is moving the jet stream and changing the path of the clouds and denying California and surrounding areas their usual precipitation. But if it is that way, then that rain must come down somewhere else instead. Are there any observations of this happening by reputable sources? Is there a way to tell the total precipitation is the same but re-distributed differently?

A visual of this should be fairly simple and easy to put together. You'll need satellite images of the west coast from before the droughts and then compare the cloud paths over the pacific ocean to the present paths. Find the differences and truly know whether theres something unusual about the patterns or if this here is a case of natural drought.

originally posted by: mtnshredder
This planet's climate history will tell you all you need to know. I'm not saying things aren't warming up or that we haven't had an impact but blaming it all on humans is a scam.

The earth is naturally warmer and filled with a lot more vegitation with harsher summer weather systems, been that way all the way up to the current epoch and cycle of ice ages. The ice age pattern has a wobble appearance where the glaciers grow and then recede, reminding me of a top spinning and as the top begins to slow the wobble gets wider and more erratic. Maybe the earth will plunge into a permanent ice age and this here is the end of life on the planet. Or, maybe it will return to the usual hot climate that has been there for at least 2 billion years.

Fear not ! Gavin Newsom (or is it Nuisance?) is specially trained and infiltrated by the WEF (WackjobEcoFreaks) to bring California in to ze 4th Industrial Revolution and ze Great Reset (plus a few million fabulous immigrants). I bet you have even more Mexican and Chinese fast food joints under his regime, don't you? I heard Texas was taking in California refugees but that window may be closing soon. Texans don't want California's politics to follow them there.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: nugget1

miscalculated that amount by thousands of board feet more than was actually there.

That explains the lumber prices. Sheesh

Good catch! Replace 'board feet' with 'acre feet' and save a tree!

originally posted by: lordcomac
Mark my words, they'll be talking about fresh water pipelines from the east coast great lakes soon.

I should stick up again, I had to dump my water stores during a relocation.

This has been proposed before. There are a few problems with it:

1) Even if we assumed that all permitting was waved away (not gonna happen), the pipeline would take years to build. Probably decades. In the real world, just the environmental studies would tie this up until our children are in nursing homes.

2) The cost would be insane, probably measured in trillions of dollars once all is said & done.

3) People wouldn't stand for it. There would be insurrections -- actual, armed insurrections with people shooting at the construction workers, sabotaging the project, etc. It would get ugly fast.

All of these same problems would still apply if they tried to take water from the Mississippi instead. At the end of the day, there is no way to get around the harsh reality that SoCal, Vegas, and probably Phoenix are literally & figuratively built on sand.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
It would be easier and cheaper to subsidize peoples moving expenses. Could you imagine all them Californians moving to the Great Lakes? Great Scott!!

originally posted by: Antisocialist
a reply to: nugget1www.express.co.uk...

On Monday, the lake’s water level was around 1,052 feet above sea level, which is about 162 feet below its 2000 level, where it’s considered full
If it drops to 950 feet, the intakes for the dam won't be under water and the turbines will stop.

According to this post, there is only another 100 feet before it becomes unusable. Knowing that the vast majority of water is held in the upper portion of the lake, Meade may as well already be a Deadpool. According to the report, it is continuing to drop another foot every day. That means they have just another 100 days of water left. As it falls about a foot a week, the danger is obvious:
I can see generation coming to an end even sooner, considering the turbines require head pressure to be able to sustain turbine rotation sufficient for generation. Much less than 100 feet of head pressure won't get it done, I wouldn't think.

Inside Lake Mead's 'Third Straw': The $817M pipeline built UNDERNEATH reservoir in last ditch effort to save Las Vegas from drought doom
The pipeline resembles a subway tunnel 55 stories below Lake Mead's Saddle Island, reinforced with more than 2,400 6-foot jigsaw sections of concrete over the last six years
A $25 million drilling rig the length of two football fields ground nearly 3 miles through solid rock to reach the intake structure a minute before noon last December 10
The 'third straw' at the bottom of the fading reservoir will only be put to use if Lake Mead falls below the two existing supply intakes

[www.dailymail.co.uk... html]

Just one of the looming crisis being kept from public awareness. Instead, the media is focusing our attention on buying EV's to 'save the planet'- like that will help when there's no water for millions of people, and millions of acres of farmland disappear.

originally posted by: 38181
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
It would be easier and cheaper to subsidize peoples moving expenses. Could you imagine all them Californians moving to the Great Lakes? Great Scott!!

I'm starting to see the appeal of land mines.

Seriously, it boggles my mind that nobody seems to be interested in investing in desalination plants. The ocean is always going to be there, no matter how bad of a drought the land is facing, so why the heck is nobody talking about building that sort of infrastructure?

a reply to: putnam6

I guess that's that.

a reply to: Antisocialist

The biggest drops in lake Mead water levels happen from March to August. This year's drop is a lot, going from about 1070 to 1040 feet.

From August to March it usually levels off and might even gain if it's a wet fall and winter season.

Losing 30 feet per year is much worse than usual. But if it continues at this year's pace, lake Mead will be a dead pool in between 4 to 5 years.

mead.uslakes.info...

a reply to: ketsuko

I have often wondered if all these huge dams, like Hoover and such, are actually what is causing the western USA drought, because they are blocking the flow of lots of river water into the Pacific, throwing a monkey wrench into North America's water cycle.

originally posted by: jedi_hamster

originally posted by: Terims
Though a site called "Before its news" I learned that during the trump administration the White Hats has taken control of the satellite system that was controlling the weather. That year it rained like it normally does for Southern California. It appears as if they have another satellite now! Ma reply to: GoShredAK

likewise, your fearmongering regarding the dam is BS, as proven by dam repair project info provided by putnam6.

did the dam repair cause the low water?
did the low water force dam repair?
is it possible the water is too low and certain government people are pushing the repair story to hide the truth?
conspiracy site so it must be considered.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: 38181
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
It would be easier and cheaper to subsidize peoples moving expenses. Could you imagine all them Californians moving to the Great Lakes? Great Scott!!

Seriously, it boggles my mind that nobody seems to be interested in investing in desalination plants. The ocean is always going to be there, no matter how bad of a drought the land is facing, so why the heck is nobody talking about building that sort of infrastructure?

because, environmentalists
www.theguardian.com...

Poseidon’s long-running proposal was supported by Governor Gavin Newsom but faced ardent opposition from environmentalists who said drawing in large amounts of ocean water and releasing salty discharge back into the ocean would kill billions of tiny marine organisms that make up the base of the food chain along a large swath of the coast.

“The ocean is under attack” from climate change already, Commissioner Dayna Bochco said. “I cannot say in good conscience that this amount of damage is OK.”

Check out this article in Zero Hedge today. It has pictures showing how much Lake Mead has shrunk.

NASA Satellite Images Reveal Lake Mead's Dramatic Water Loss

It's currently at just 27% capacity, but according to the article it will still be a couple of years before the lake reaches "dead pool" level.

8.25.2022

BODIES keep turning up as Lake Meade lowers.

justthenews.com...

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

Seriously, it boggles my mind that nobody seems to be interested in investing in desalination plants. The ocean is always going to be there, no matter how bad of a drought the land is facing, so why the heck is nobody talking about building that sort of infrastructure?

People have been looking at those desalination plants for a long time in great detail in dry areas. The problem is that they take up a tremendous amount of energy for a small output. Few are built. It's why improving efficiency and reducing losses from conventional water systems is much more cost effective.