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originally posted by: Athetos
Thank god we have Lazarus Short here to correct Galileo by simply quoting bible verses.
You have never heard or read even one single word from god. You have only ever read mans words about mans god. Sad but true.
a reply to: Lazarus Short
Level 6 is also called the” Nightmare Hall “because of the genetic lab. The reports of workers who have seen bizarre experiments are like, “I saw people with more feet, half a half-octopus, but also reptilian people with hands of people crying like babies. So is a mixture of lizards – humans, fish, seals, birds, and mice, all kept in cages. I also saw winged humanoids, grotesque creatures like bats, one meter to over two meters high, but also gurgling and reptilian beings.
“Level 7 is even worse, rows and rows of cold-kept human mixtures. Large storage containers for humanoid embryos at different stages of development. People in cages, usually sedated and drugged, who sometimes scream and beg for help. We have been told that they are incurable fools, following very risky drug tests to cure madness. We were advised not to speak at all. At first, I even believed it all, but by 1978 some workers discovered the truth … “
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Lazarus Short
So what if some reject God, don’t want salvation, are they forced into relationship with God
originally posted by: Tagz
a reply to: Lazarus Short
Drops the mic and walks away.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
So what if some reject God, don’t want salvation, are they forced into relationship with God
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
If they reject God, it is because they have not met Him yet.
originally posted by: trollz
a reply to: Lazarus Short
Thanks for this post. I agree 100% that there is no eternal "Hell". Some people who have had near death experiences do describe being in a place of fire and torment, but commonly that the moment they asked for salvation or for life, they were immediately rescued from that place. It seems that there may be a purgatory, or a temporary place of "cleansing flame", which the bible/Jesus seems to allude to on numerous occasions.
In place of an eternal Hell, there does seem to be a "second death", or the permanent death of the soul/mind. It's interesting to consider the concept of the "bottomless pit" here, where various sources claim that demons or evil spirits are sent to die - in essence, a place of absolute nothingness - "bottomless pit" - where you simply exist as a disembodied consciousness, or a soul, until your mind itself decays into nothingness and suffers the "second death".
The idea of a place of torment that is inescapable is a direct contradiction to the logic of God. It would require either that God is unwilling to forgive some and would instead choose to make them suffer inescapably for all eternity despite their realization of error or desire to be with him, or that conditions have been created in which God's forgiveness/power is limited, where he is powerless to offer salvation past a certain point.
I have tried explaining the concept to Christians that God's love, power and forgiveness are infinite, that salvation is available to ALL people, and that if he wills that someone survive and be with him, he has the power to make it so. This has been met with much resistance. Apparently a lot of Christians absolutely hate the concept that all people can have eternal life if they want it, to the point that I've been accused of not being a Christian myself. It seems common that they cling to the idea that salvation is only for people who hold certain beliefs rather than all people equally, particularly the belief that God was unable to offer salvation without Jesus physically being crucified.
I find the idea of a limitation of God's ability to offer salvation to be blasphemous, and I think any churches who teach this are wicked and deceiving for the sake of pandering to the mentality of "my group is better than their group because our beliefs are correct and theirs aren't".
originally posted by: noonebutme
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
If they reject God, it is because they have not met Him yet.
Or because there is no evidence such an entity exists or has ever existed. That’s the more plausible explanation