I agree totally, guns should be totally banned from anywhere near schools.

That is stupid! If anything only security guards and school cops should be considered for carrying firearms. They should just give the guards and maybe a few teachers some of them cop tasers that shoot some distance.

Reading through all of the negative responses this has garnered has made me ill. If you are going to take a position in the gun control issue it should not be based on a knee jerk reaction to the ick factor of guns or incidents of random violence.
And no Full auto weapons are not banned but require very strict licenses that can take years to get and you have to pay a 500 dollar fee per weapon. And just for fyi the last murder committed with a legally owned machine gun happened in 1936 and the murderer was a cop!!
And once again no guns should not be restricted from schools... as I recall the 2nd ammendment had no location stipulations. I can understand federal buildings and other secure facilities, but the regulation governmental and otherwise on where you can and cannot carry is ridiculous and counter productive.
I am also not saying they should arm teachers either, it should fall to the individual teacher's personal choice as it is guaranteed to them in the constitution. And for those of you who will jump me for this go ahead but also realize that in some areas teachers can and do carry guns if they choose to.

Sugarlump, I do not know even where to begin

How about the NRA's knee jerk reaction. Do they keep flyer's with "THIS Tragedy AT __________ (Fill In Name) COULD HAVE PREVENTED IF EVERYBODY WAS PACKING HEAT" In some file somewhere?

It is far from a knee jerk reaction and I have no "Ick" factor about guns and own several myself.

Yes the vaunted 2nd amendment has no area stipulations, but the Courts including the Supreme Court have upheld time and time again a schools right to control its environment. IE. Uniforms etc etc. Its interesting to see you have no problem with a federal building being gun free, but an institution that educates and cares for children is okay?

Where exactly are teachers packing heat?

Originally posted by Sugarlump
And no Full auto weapons are not banned but require very strict licenses that can take years to get and you have to pay a 500 dollar fee per weapon. And just for fyi the last murder committed with a legally owned machine gun happened in 1936 and the murderer was a cop!!

You can legally own Machine Guns??!?!?!!?!??!

But seriousely, i was talking about Fully automatic pistols and sub-machine guns. If any shootings are going to be done, those 2 weapons are extremely dangerous.

Yes Rapier... In the good ol' USA, if you can get the clearance for licensure, and have the cash for it, you too could be the proud ownere of one, weapon, fully automatic with accompanying ammunition.

Licenseable fully automatic weapons are very expensive. The license is 500 bucks a a pop, and you must pass a failry stringent clearance.

Of course ... If you aren't too proud, you can probably go to some large city back streets, lay down a few hundred and get a highly illegal Uzi.

But seriousely, i was talking about Fully automatic pistols and sub-machine guns. If any shootings are going to be done, those 2 weapons are extremely dangerous.

Old Buddy ... This borders on a silly statement. Any firearm that is aimed with an intent to shoot anybody is extremely dangerous. Say, for example, here's your choice. Get shot with a .44 Magnum, in the heart, or a submachine gun, 9mm, in the heart? Which would kill you deader?


Before anybody jumps me one way or the other, I am pro-gun ...

Now jump!

Edited to include smardazz comment about killing someone deader.

[edit on 26-3-2005 by sigung86]

Date: July 7, 2006

"Three students wee gunned down in class today by their irate teacher. Lee Enfield (47) was teaching a class when several students arrived late, and became unruly and abusive. When Mr Enfield tried to restore order, three of the late arrivals moved towards him in an aggressive manner. Fearing an attack, Mr Enfield drew his weapon and fired, hitting two wouldbe attackers, and a third with a stray bullet"

An NRA spokesman said this situation could have been prevented if the students had been allowed to carry guns.

Teachers with guns....not kool at all!!!!

Im am all for the NRA and gun ownership as long as strict guidelines are implimented...but this, Im ashamed to be part of the NRA

And if the student takes or gangs up on the 60 yr old teacher and takes his/her gun than what?? huh what?

OC/Pepper spray, that would be a great alternitive and it's non-lethal...and believe me....it will take someone down and take them out of thier
"A" game for at least 30 minutes, long enough for authorities or school security to show up

good posts sugarlump! i agree with you clearly these folks are missing the picture.

the teachers at my daughter(S) school all carry heat and i have zero problem with it. At their school we don't have the "public policy pushers" either since they are home schooled.

The key to "teachers with guns" is to have a few who are trained to gun fight and keep it concealed. These few should be known only to the administration.

I believe over in Israel just about all the teacher have a weapon.

Of course if you don't have any faith in your educators then I can see why you wouldn't want them protecting your child.

Roper

Sorry but this whole story reminds me of a "Problem, reaction, solution" plan to get guns to the teachers. (This is just my opinion)

C'mon peeps why do you want to give a gun to a teacher?? So that he can shoot the kid with the gun. You do not "I REPEAT: DO NOT" fight fire with fire.

Why not make a gun that is fingerprint sensitive??? I know it sound's a bit sci-fi, but it would make the world of difference. Think about it you could have all the guns you wanted but NO ONE may use them except you. That would be the only way to stop gun crime apart from completely taking guns away.

Originally posted by lister
Date: July 7, 2006

"Three students wee gunned down in class today by their irate teacher. Lee Enfield (47) was teaching a class when several students arrived late, and became unruly and abusive. When Mr Enfield tried to restore order, three of the late arrivals moved towards him in an aggressive manner. Fearing an attack, Mr Enfield drew his weapon and fired, hitting two wouldbe attackers, and a third with a stray bullet"

An NRA spokesman said this situation could have been prevented if the students had been allowed to carry guns.

Good one, make up a story that could happen whether or not its allowed.
How bout this one. Say a student walks in and starts shooting, and instead of shooting and killing 10 he is stopped by a teacher with a gun and only shoots 2. I would much rather have a few teachers around legally carrying firearms than to have my children in a situation that equates to shooting fish in a barrel.

Thank you founding fathers for recognizing my rights so knee jerk reactionists like lister can't take them away from me.

C'mon peeps why do you want to give a gun to a teacher?? So that he can shoot the kid with the gun. You do not "I REPEAT: DO NOT" fight fire with fire.

Okay lets just lay down and let them shoot us. What a wonderful idea.

Why not make a gun that is fingerprint sensitive???

What a wonderful idea....NOT. I'd be rather pissed off or dead if I had a gun like that and it malfunctioned when I needed it the most. I'll stick with basic technology thank you very much.

That would be the only way to stop gun crime apart from completely taking guns away.

ROFL, now we would have a black market that sells guns that have either don't have that technology or have it disabled. Instead of stopping crime you would make more people victims due to faulty malfunctioning firearms.

Arming teachers. WTF!?! You people who actually support this make me sick! Do you have any idea what the murder stats are for Nations with a "Rigth to Bear Arms" compared to a nation that does not have that "right". Gimme a break. I'm sure if this happens we'll be hearing of Teacher vs. Student gunbattles in no time.

What's next, Legalize Duels again ...........

[edit on 26-3-2005 by sardion2000]

I'm sure if this happens we'll be hearing of Teacher vs. Student gunbattles in no time.

So you prefer a psychotic student to be able to shoot as many others as he can. Only to stop we he decides to do so himself.

What's next, Legalize Duels again ...........

If two consenting adults wanted to duel, I wouldn't have a problem with it.