Part 2 of How the U.S. Government and Other’s Tried to have Justification For
This part two of the evidence of how the U.S. Government tried to bring down the
internet. The Following is well documented evidence as well as more evidence that
can be put forward at a later date.
In order to have a new law or the need for some kind of new power you must have case
file. It can be proven that before 9-11 the FBI and other’s had verified evidence
of real people inside of the United States and else where of who were a threat and
from my research one of two thing’s occurred.
First we have to examine cointelpro, a FBI operation to infiltrate so called group’s
that might or could be a problem to the continuance of government power. The
document below will show that cointelpro was real and had congressional hearing’s
about it’s lawfulness at the time of it’s creation.
I have been able to with other above top secret member’s sense the 9-11 attack’s to
establish the following set’s of information these are at very least in part to the
fact that most people know the real story of 9-11 was a lie and that the people of
the world had to find out most of there information from outside sources so quickly
we will compare past event’s like 9-11 and how it relates to another event like
oklahoma city bombing.
1. Oklahoma City Bombing happen’s. Group’s are chosen to be responsible for the
attack the “militia’s” of the united state’s are blamed.
2. Who put out most of the information to say that group was responsible. Answer =
U.S. Government, mainly the FBI and the B.A.T.F. a division of the U.S. Department
3. We have to take into consideration the BATF was created only after the oklahoma
city bombing, for the purpose of so called cracking down on domestic terrorism / so
called terrorist attacks against the united states.
The motive could be pointed at a lot of thing’s dealing with the oklahoma city
bombing but a lot of what has come out in the news sense the oklahoma city bombing.
At the time Bill Clinton was under investigation for looting the U.S. Treasury as
well as Misappropriation of tax payer fund’s as well as white water at the time.
Oklahoma City bombing happens and we have a depository which was the Oklahoma city
bombing was of U.S. Government Record’s all get blow up or lost in the bombing.
To get rid of the liability of white water oklahoma city as well as the
investigation of ken star at the time, The Monica news take’s place to divert
people’s attention from the rest of the crimes by Bill Clinton and other’s at the
Once Bill Clinton was no longer president, What was one of the first thing’s George
W. Bush did when he first took office? George W. Bush started blacking out records
of Bill Clinton as well as his father former president George H. W. Bush once George
W. Bush took office in 2000.
Due to the fact’s which have come out and are still coming out to this day many
people realize the 2000 election was stolen. It does not help the fact the U.S.
media failed to report all of the protester’s as well as the massive amount of
people trying to get legal recorse in the 2000 election that were stonewalled by
either the U.S. Justice Department or The Executive Privilege Clause such as the
elimination of record’s that would have gotten people like Bill Clinton or George W.
Bush impeached and based upon documented evidence to this day more then likely jail
would have been where all 3 of these former president’s would have gone.
For Information regarding The Executive Privilege Clause that information is already
contained in this posting in the first part of this overview of why the Government’s
around the world want to control the internet so there is no need to post that
information here. But what does need to be posted is a few more key point’s to
needing justification to do a crack down on political activist.
For Information regarding real intelligence gathered on groups that was still on
going before 9-11 with people that would or could cause a problem inside the united
states before 9-11 look at this link below.
We see here the fact of the mention of one of the groups that would cause a problem
would be none other then “The World Church of the Creator” as well as other groups
named in this press release look as well at the date. There was information at the
time before 9-11 of people that could or the FBI knew at the time were going to or
could cause a problem but there is even a bigger connection.
You see in the first link cointelpro was deemed un-constitutional once the hearing’s
were done and over with. We know from recent news articles disclosed in the news
such as the shadow groups linger over united states article seen below.
We also notice that in the article we see groups named for saying we have these
groups such as the Anti-Defamation League, Southern Poverty Law Center,
interestingly enough they mention also the fact that they knew of these groups
operating inside of the united states. But what is even better is the fact we know
that both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center were
attacking saying right before oklahoma city that “militia groups” were causing
problems inside of the united states.
That’s not the important part the important part is someone needed to take the blame
before oklahoma city before oklahoma city happened. So the group was chosen before
oklahoma city happened and the evidence is there.
Similarly we have the same groups now coming out and saying what in regards to the
groups that may cause problem’s in the united state’s dealing with that above
article. “Lone Wolfism”
Another Interesting coincidence huh.
Here we have the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center same
thing right before oklahoma city doing and engaging in the same kind of activity
right before we had 9-11 both of these groups placed the blame on at the time of
oklahoma city on a group we know from strong evidence at the time that the militia’s
had nothing to do with oklahoma city and that it was a distraction to limit the
liability of the real people responsible.
As explained with documented evidence before in the above posting we know from
evidence this man that carried out the most recent school shooting was linked to the
world church of the creator. How neat isn’t it interesting the fact the FBI knew of
so called people linked to the World Church of the Creator were a problem before
If that were indeed the case it would explain why most recently the Secret FBI
report that came out mentioned the fact the FBI could not and did not know of any
and I quote sleeper cell’s inside of the united state’s for that evidence the link
Why there are other confirmed report’s of the above article being fact we also know
of another article dealing right before 9-11 that very little reporting came out on.
Disclosed later to some great detail around 2004 on the link below.
You will need real audio to see the above file regarding the W199Eye Information.
Here’s what I find even more interesting, The fact that
A. The Report from the FBI official’s on this document have yet to be disclosed on
B. The Report mirror’s information contained about the fact the FBI again could do
nothing to arrest the people they knew had possible connection’s to 9-11 at the
C. The Report also mirror’s information about the fact dealing with the above
article saying no terrorist.
Odd thing that has some merit to another report already talked about in this
overview dealing with the FBI report in August of 2001, where the FBI is pointing
the finger of people that are likely to cause problem’s inside of the united states
before 9-11 and they at the time in the article again below they were at the time
pointing the finger at group’s like “the world church of the creator”.
Here’s a more interesting connection to the whole thing, first a man by the name of
David Berg exposed in this article below.
You know what’s funny about this whole thing the man by the name of David Berg has
some connections dealing with this “world church of the creator” we also know about
the fact of the evidence at this point the man mention in this story above did what?
He went on a killing spree right before he committed suicide.
You see that’s very interesting to me given the fact it has recently again taken
place before in the most recent school shooting up on this Indian reservation in
Minnesota a article about that is already at the top of this original post.
So here we have the same pattern’s of 2 different crimes committed inside of the
united states with the same groups both being named both before and have
connection’s after the crime has been committed.
Here’s even a better connection, I have been a radio talk show host for about the
last 4 to 5 year’s. and run my website that’s my avatar right now. What I find even
more interesting are the following thing’s bare with me as we go a little bit deeper
into this conspiracy.
Before I was ever on a radio network called Genesis Communication’s Radio Network I
was on the air here locally in butte montana where I still am to this day and now do
a radio broadcast on truth radio. Over the year’s that I have been on the air I
have had people on the air that have been former and past U.S. Government Official’s
to spill the bean’s on past and current government corruption.
In 2003 when my website first went online around march 2003 not that long after it
was up a man calling himself by the name of Raymond Ronald Karczewski joined the
message board of my website under a name along these line’s before I banned him due
to both listener outcry as well as people that were associated with the website at
the time that found his comment’s to be attacking as well as liable there for he was
But being at that point I was and still am a investigative journalist and did some
checking on the name of Raymond Ronald Karczewski. What was interesting to find out
is the man had already been banned from several other message board’s around the
country and elsewhere outside of the country I have a partial list of those
The POWER HOUR
This by all mean’s is not all of them, however here’s the even bigger part and some
more interesting connection’s. The man calling himself Raymond Ronald Karczewski
look’s striking similar to a man that is suppose to be dead by the name of David
Berg. For a picture of Raymond Ronald Karczewski you can go to his website of the
David Berg Picture’s and compare the two when you get time.
The reason why I post information regarding the above website’s the man by the name
of Raymond Ronald Karczewski that he was banned from is I found some interesting
connection’s when doing my investigation into this matter.
For one, one of the thing’s this man by the name of Raymond Ronald Karczewski would
do is he would take other people’s e-mail’s off of the message board’s he was
posting on and make it look like people were sending him e-mail’s to ask him a
question of some kind. Raymond Ronald Karczewski would then answer the question
that was asked.
One of my listener’s also a investigator did some checking by taking a few of the
e-mail’s that were supposedly sent to Raymond Ronald Karczewski and e-mailed back
the people to see if they ever sent the e-mail’s to being with. Once we established
the fact that was not what happened and no one was sending the e-mail’s he was
banned from my website.
Why is this important the following reason’s.
A. We know the FBI knew of the groups that would cause problem’s before 9-11 and
were not able to do anything about it threw conclusive evidence.
B. We know in both instances in the past these groups named in these above article’s
were a problem and that when they were about to be busted for criminal activity they
were either conveniently killed or suicided to do what? Limit the liability of the
real people getting away with the real criminal activity.
C. We know from the evidence above that cointelpro was suppose to be shut down
because of it’s un-constitutional infringement’s upon people that were guilty of
nothing more then wanting establishment of law and justice.
D. We know from the beginning of this posting the purpose of this overview was to
establish why the U.S. Government’s and Government’s of the world had to get control
of the internet.
F. We know from past information disclosed to this day that people responsible for
committing crime’s always try to limit the liability of there past crime’s be
committing more crimes to cover up more crime’s.
We could go on and on but we need to look at a few more interesting connection’s
To limit the liability of Bill Clinton’s crime’s George Bush and other’s Black out
Document’s related to past administration’s investigation’s the article about that
What I found most interesting besides the fact when I started doing even more
looking into this Raymond person besides the fact he look’s exactly like David Berg
is that in all of the website’s he was banned from several people on those website’s
had posted information as to where people could contact them by e-mail.
Those e-mail’s mirror a lot of that list of website’s this Raymond person was banned
from not to mention the fact that when I did some checking of the people that were
on some of those website’s with there e-mail’s it matched up to another list that I
and a number of other’s some how ended up getting on a e-mail list by someone
calling himself Victor Martinez.
What’s interesting is Victor Martinez had quite a number of e-mail list’s of people
on there with mine included but several of my e-mail address’s were not made public
with the exception of a few times on the air.
I had already been under fire / harassment for a lot of the people I had on the air
between 2003 to today.
Several people both that appear to be connected to this group has in the past either
by the way of attempted and or infiltrated or made to look associated with real
groups that have no interest in being part of some religious fringe cult or are
doing nothing wrong other then exercising political speech have been targeted for
the purpose of none other then attempting to limit the liability of at least in this
overview people on the internet.
It is clear based upon the documented evidence of the some of the evidence above,
that division’s of the U.S. Government have both allowed and we might go so far to
say covered for the real groups they knew were a problem and did nothing about or
were not allowed to do anything about.
So in this overview and I have more evidence that will come out at a later date
after this overview has been read to show the following.
A. Above Top Secret as well as other Message Board’s and groups have been targeted
by people the U.S. and other Government’s that knew which real group’s were a
problem and those groups that had ties to groups like the Anti-Defamation League and
the Southern Poverty Law Center that were by all evidence provided will show groups
like above top secret doing nothing wrong but pointing out criminal activity done by
government’s around the world and were targeted by groups associated with but not
limited to the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
B. That Above Top Secret’s member’s were not limited to being targets to by the
groups listed above.
C. That this was allowed to happen under at least more then one branch of the united
states government and other’s.
D. That groups like Above Top Secret have done nothing wrong other then be too close
or too accurate to the truth about covering criminal activity’s or coverup’s by any
and all political institution’s that stood to be exposed that made groups like above
top secret and other’s a political target.
It is interesting to note these last fact’s this Raymond person lives in the state
of Oregon, Some member’s / division of the FBI is on the verge of being kicked out
of Oregon for not sharing information with local law enforcement official’s
regarding people in there area under so called investigation that article is below.
I find it highly suspect all of the evidence I can prove point’s me for one at
Oregon not only with the connection’s with this Raymond person but also some 9-11
connection’s that are not public yet that will be talked about later.
The bottom line to all of this overview not only dealing with all of the information
contained in this post but the one before is to show above top secret member’s two
Number 1. The closer you come to finding out the real people responsible for
crime’s like 9-11 the more you become a liability and in this overview I hope it’s
clear on what a liability is.
Number 2. I have been a member of Above Top Secret before I was ever a radio talk
show host or on the air and I can and will testify to the fact that one of thing’s I
am getting tired of hearing is that above top secret is run by Government People
wanting to collect information on people or what not.
The fact’s are clear based upon my evidence as well as many other’s people that
expose conspiracy’s become targets and that is precisely what above top secret has
become a target for it’s continued exposer of wrong doing by people committing
crimes inside and outside the government’s of the united states and abroad.
When I have time to post more information as to all the party’s that I have been
able to identify beside’s that which is posted here the information will become
Most of the member’s here know I don’t and have not usually posted such long
detailed analysis of how thing’s like conspiracy’s work or are carried out so part
of the reason for both of the post’s on this issue of why the government want’s to
control the internet was to explain to new user’s exactly what conspiracy is not to
mention the fact I don’t want to see above top secret be labeled as some kind of
group associated with groups like “the world church of the creator” or Nazi’s but
now I think once this information contained here is made public it will start to
bring people here at above top secret and else where to the understanding of what
the people have to gain and what government’s stand to lose.
This is the last thing for this post I will give it about a week and post more this
is the last part for now.
How many people here are willing to bet that there is the strong possibility that
this below link has Above Top Secret and other’s on it that are a being labeled even
though they are not as hate or terror group associated with it.
If there are no real terrorist according to the FBI and other’s guess they have to
made up fake ones, I wonder how many website’s can be found on that cd that are
making look or appear to be associated with above top secret or other’s so that real
political people are made to look like a enemy instead of people trying to fix the
More to come later