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NEWS: 32% of all Foreign-Born in the US are undocumented!

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posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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Of the 35.7 million foreign-born populations that are presently residing here in the US, are here as either undocumented or illegal immigrants. This number is taking into account the number of those who leave the US, who die or legalize their status, Note this number also includes a small percentage of immigrants who may have legal authorization to be in the United States, including those with temporary protected status and those applying to seek asylum
This is 32% percent of this population. The demand for underpaid, outside workers remains strong.
Our population, according to the 2003 Census shows that there were 282,909,885 total people in the US at that time.
According to that same census info, 11% percent of that population, the Foreign-born population was 33,533,945. That is an increase of nearly 4 million over a single year.


 



www.msnbc.msn.com
WASHINGTON - The nation’s undocumented immigrant population surged to 10.3 million last year, spurred largely since 2000 by the arrivals of unauthorized Mexicans in the United States, according to a report released Monday.
The population of undocumented residents in the United States increased by about 23 percent from 8.4 million in the four-year period ending last March, according to the analysis of government data by the Pew Hispanic Center, a private research group.

That equates to a net increase of roughly 485,000 per year between 2000 and 2004. The estimate was derived by subtracting the number of unauthorized immigrants who leave the United States, die or acquire legal status from the number of new undocumented immigrants that arrive each year.
Assuming the flow of undocumented immigrants into the country hasn’t abated since March 2004, the population is likely near 11 million now.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Of the 35.7 million foreign-born populations here in the US are here as undocumented or illegally. This number is taking into account the number of those who leave the US, who die or legalize their status, Note this number also includes a small percentage of immigrants who may have legal authorization to be in the United States, including those with temporary protected status and those applying to seek asylum
This is 32% percent of this population. The demand for underpaid, outside workers remains strong.
Our population, according to the 2003 Census shows that there were 282,909,885 total people in the US at that time.
According to that same census info, 11% percent of that population, the Foreign-born population was 33,533,945. That is an increase of nearly 4 million over a single year.

I find this information alarming. In this day and age of national insecurity and the US government daily finding more and more loop-holes in the nation's security (HAHA). I find that the increased numbers of undocumented workers here in the US are growing at such a rate is very unsettling.
Granted, there are a number of jobs here in the US that many do not wish to perform for one reason or another, and the foreign-born immigrants are willing to take.
I applaud, and welcome those from other nations to come here, and join our nation, but only if they come here using normal legal channels. Get their VISA’s, permanent or temporary, but enter the US legally. If they are here on a temporary VISA, either renew their VISA, or follow the law and leave as they agreed to do upon arriving here.
I have a problem with those who either decide to stay after their VISA has expired (and not apply for a new one) as well as those who openly decide to ignore the laws of this country and enter illegally, are law breakers. Who show their contempt for the laws that govern this nation that they want to live and work in.
Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that California's illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers more than $10.5 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to nearly $9 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden from those three areas of state expenditures amounts to about $1,183 per household headed by a native-born resident.
ID theft is also common in this arena and is costing Americans in their credit ratings as well as when they try to get jobs.
‘People need to wake up to this problem. They are destroying people’s credit, Social Security benefits, and everything else.’
— Richard Hamp
Assistant attorney general for state of Utah

The US Government is now trying to stem some of the costs as with the bill that has been proposed that would Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants
Unfortunately, this bill will probably go nowhere as immigrant-rights groups say that citizenship is a fundamental right that cannot be taken away by Congress. How do these groups believe that it is a fundamental right that cannot be taken away by Congress if these people are not only here without legal authorization and who are actually citizens of other nations? If the parents are here under a legal status then yes they should be given US citizenship. If the child is born of parents who blatantly ignore the law, then unfortunately, the child should not automatically be granted citizenship. This dodge is very common as it is well know that INS will not deport people if they have US children.


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www.fairus.org
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[edit on 21-3-2005 by kenshiro2012]




posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 03:53 PM
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Unfortunately, this bill will probably go nowhere as immigrant-rights groups say that citizenship is a fundamental right that cannot be taken away by Congress. How do these groups believe that it is a fundamental right that cannot be taken away by Congress if these people are not only here without legal authorization and who are actually citizens of other nations?

Congress would have to ammend the constitution itself to do that. It would be stupid and racist. Someone born in the US is a citizen. There should be no alteration of that.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 03:59 PM
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14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (Section 1)

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


Looks like Nygdan is correct. Congress could not take the citizenship of anyone born in the U.S. even of illegal parentage without a constitutional amendment that repealed parts of the 14th Amendment.

[edit on 3/21/2005 by djohnsto77]



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 04:01 PM
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"The US Government is now trying to stem some of the costs as with the bill that has been proposed that would Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants "

This is absolutely ludicrous. How can one be born here and yet NOT BE A CITIZEN" ?




posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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Granted to both Nygdan and djohnsto77
It would take would take a Constitutional amendment. I included this as a sort a slide-comment as this bill or it’s previous incarnations just show how ineffectual the Government is in actually addressing the issue. The Congressmen etc that introduce such bills are only doing it so that they can go back to their constituents and say they “tried”.
Sorry, sometimes my sense of humor is not so evident



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 04:13 PM
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14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (Section 1)

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person resident within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


It sould be changed to :

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States of legally resident persons, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any legally resident person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any legally resident person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 04:22 PM
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Seems like the logical thing to do to prevent an issue like this would be the obvious one.

Put more than just a dozen trucks on the borders (sarcasm), and ship out the illegals when they are found in the US, unconditionally. If they have already had child within the US, the child is a citizen. The child would have to be sent back to wherever until such time they can return as an adult and out of their parents arms, as their citizenship will be waiting,.... or let the US Social Services take the child in while deporting the parents of a different citizenship.


Harsh? Prolly.

But if you faced such circumstances, wouldnt you have second thoughts about crossing the border illegally?
And keep in mind, having babies after you cross the border is a TACT to gain legal access to the US in many cases, not always just one of those things couples have becouse they are in love.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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Nah - just have an INS booth in the delivery area at hospitals - what no docs, pay up or leave after your child is born. Or - you have 1 year temp visa in which to get naturalized and clamp those locator anklets to the parents. I doubt there are that many born outside of a hospital but there are some....



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 07:08 PM
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If someone is born in the US, they are citizens of the US.

You see, the US signed a treaty (remember those?) which under the Constitution has become the highest law of the land (remember that?) which guarantees a global minimum standard for human rights (remember those?).

Man, I wish I was undocumented. The world used to run just fine without a mountain of paperwork following every cowboy from cradle to grave.

[edit on 21-3-2005 by Chakotay]



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 07:13 PM
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Many countries have much stricter rules about citizenship. I believe is the U.S. is one of the few that considers anyone born on its soil a full citizen automatically.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 07:27 PM
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Djohn, can you name a country in which you're not a citizen of that country if you're born there?
I'd like to know.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Djohn, can you name a country in which you're not a citizen of that country if you're born there?
I'd like to know.


I'll do a lot more than that:




More info here: www.cis.org...



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 07:59 PM
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Thanks for the info, Djohn...but it seems that a great majority do say you're a citizen as long as you have at least one parent from that country.

Take another look.

Thanks for the info, though. Very interesting.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 08:06 PM
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Yes dgtempe, of course. The issue is children born of illegals where none of the parents are citizens or even in the country legally.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 08:37 PM
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You are right.

Ok that makes sense. Thanks for pointing that out.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 09:09 PM
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. . . "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" . . .

Now this seems to me to add a little 'wait a minute' to the entire equation. We'll see how this shakes out. It seems that the amendment as previously argued is not a 100% done deal.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 09:16 PM
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dgtempe
This is absolutely ludicrous. How can one be born here and yet NOT BE A CITIZEN" ?

Its not immpossible. Its simply unamerican.


kenshiro2012
just show how ineffectual the Government is in actually addressing the issue

The governement was designed to be ineffectual on this matter tho. Its not supposed to be at all easy to make an ammendment to the Constitution, and it's easy to see why in this case. US citizenship should go to anyone born here. There is no such thing as a native american. No group of americans have more 'right' to citizenship than any other. The Founders recognized this, they understood that they were merely the children of a long line of immigrants. Its not like in Germany where the very people have given the country its name, or any of the other nations. The US is a country made up of lots of different people, by what justification can one person born in the US be said to be more of a citizen than other?


smirkely
Put more than just a dozen trucks on the borders (sarcasm), and ship out the illegals when they are found in the US, unconditionally.

Indeed, to change the fundamental law of the nation itself when there are still other means to address the problem, well, its just silly and unnessesary.

djohnsto77, excellent chart, good find.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 11:13 PM
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Maybe it's just cause I'm a blond, but if all of these people are UNDOCUMENTED, UNAUTHORIZED, ILLEGAL immigrants, how is it that we know how many of them are in the country?

Am I wrong about what it means to be undocumented? I thought that someone who is undocumented has no personal paperwork or records on file.
How then could we possibly know "(a)...the number of unauthorized immigrants who leave the United States, die or acquire legal status...or (b)the number of new undocumented immigrants that arrive each year"?



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 08:25 AM
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Hey mods, I have received another u2u request to modify the grammar of the opening paragraph. I have tried to go back into it to make the requested change but unfortunately the edit button has been removed.
I will be happy to make the changes once this feature is restored.
Thank you,



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 09:01 AM
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Here is some more information to demonstrate just how out of hand this issue is



Experts say that possibly 12 million people live in the United States illegally — more people than live in Oregon, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Arkansas and Rhode Island combined.
The latest U.S. government estimate was that 7 million illegal immigrants lived in the country in Jan. 2000, more than five years ago.
What's most unsettling to many Americans is not the huge numbers of illegal aliens caught at the border, but the possibly millions more who are not caught.



Illegal Alien Influx May Compromise Security


The bill is drawing criticism from Mexico, particularly its call to complete the building of a fence along the U.S.-Mexican border south of San Diego.


House Approves Immigration Bill






In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants are for illegal aliens.



Arpaio's Phoenix jails (search) house 1,200 criminal aliens, including Perez, who by law should have been deported. But because of federal bureaucracy and an overburdened system, only the most dangerous felons are actually sent home.
Even when deportation is ordered, about 60 percent of orders are ignored
Christian Higuera, who is serving time for assault, has fathered an illegitimate child, born in Arizona. He said he hopes he will be allowed to stay with his child, an American citizen, once he gets out of jail.
The borders are so porous that many deported criminals simply come back into the United States, often to commit more crimes


Border States Grapple With Alien Criminals
The following really get me. Mexico is teaching people not only how to enter the country ilegally but also how to stay hidden

Mexican State Issues 'How To' on Border Jumping

The problem here does not lie in those people who wish to follow the laws and enter this country legally it lies with those who completely disregard our laws and then attempt to use our laws when it suits them to try to stay here



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