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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Xtrozero
Actually, Trump has described it as a type of end run around Palestine. Previous attempts to do this were based on an initial agreement between Palestine and Israel, which never happened. Trump decided to drop that requirement, and this is the result. Expectation is that Palestine will come around when enough other countries join.
I have no doubt that it will eventually form into a coalition against Iran/Iraq/Syria. But that's not the methodology used.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: face23785
The Arabs are just sick of it. They are tired of ignoring their own economic and security interests to try to help the Palestinians, who seemingly don't want the help. They don't want a state. They don't want peace. They just want all those God damn Jews out of there! And that's never gonna happen, and until Palestine accepts that reality, it's impossible to make a deal with them. So why are we trying? When they join us in the real world, maybe we can do a deal. Until then, let's do deals with countries who aren't stuck in the 1920s.
originally posted by: vonclod
So, was talking to my mom about this..her husband has family in Sudan. Her impression, was Sudan was bullied into it, they didn't really want to sign. They did though, because of issues with Sudan being designated a terror spot. They needed that removed, and apparently this was the carrot.
In Sudan, they figure Israel is going to start exporting Palestinians to Sudan, and they don't want to import the trouble. I'm not sure how that would be done, so, I question that.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: vonclod
So, was talking to my mom about this..her husband has family in Sudan. Her impression, was Sudan was bullied into it, they didn't really want to sign. They did though, because of issues with Sudan being designated a terror spot. They needed that removed, and apparently this was the carrot.
In Sudan, they figure Israel is going to start exporting Palestinians to Sudan, and they don't want to import the trouble. I'm not sure how that would be done, so, I question that.
What's your mom think about the new government in Sudan?
I'll wait while you google them and come up with something.
So you thought CNN was airing Trump propaganda that the government of Sudan hadn't agreed to? That's seriously why you were questioning this?
What I thought at the time of the first posts on this thread was exactly that, that Trump as a known liar could have just been tossing out election propaganda. Certainly you must know that by now, that I do not trust him to tell the truth?
I think you are partly right.
However, thinking Trump a liar did not and has not extended to you as you suggest.
All culture is based on indoctrination.
Just like Trump, I am not perfect. Unlike Trump I am not a liar.
I see the mental connections happening as follows: Trump claims he has done something good - Trump is a liar - Trump is therefore lying and the story is likely false - verify - unable to verify through normal channels - deem occurrence as false - reports say it is true - reports must be lying - reporters (myself and others) must be lying.
Does the media emphasis that Trump lies? Yes they do. The question is though are they doing it to ''brainwash'' viewers or to inform them of those lies. So where his supporters will come down on the ''brainwashing'' side and his detractors will come down on the other, I can see that it is both.
So while some still believe that the advertising pays those stations to bring product information to the viewers, I"m of the mind that thinks what is really going in is that those stations bring the consumers to the advertisers.
This place is a bastion of not only conservatism but now Trumpianism.
Why are you here. Still here.