What is Antifa

A long article but worth a read for those who might be sitting on the fence about Antifa. I am of a mind that when you bend a knee and give into demands by terrorist then the demands only get bigger and more demanding. I think history is on my side in that.

Antifa can be described as a transnational insurgency movement that endeavors, often with extreme violence, to subvert liberal democracy, with the aim of replacing global capitalism with communism. Antifa's stated long-term objective, both in America and abroad, is to establish a communist world order. In the United States, Antifa's immediate aim is to bring about the demise of the Trump administration.

Antifa's nemeses include law enforcement, which is viewed as enforcing the established order. A common tactic used by Antifa in the United States and Europe is to employ extreme violence and destruction of public and private property to goad the police into a reaction, which then "proves" Antifa's claim that the government is "fascist."

Antifa claims to oppose "fascism," a term it often uses as a broad-brush pejorative to discredit those who hold opposing political beliefs. The traditional meaning of "fascism" as defined by Webster's Dictionary is "a totalitarian governmental system led by a dictator and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism, militarism, and often racism."

Antifa holds the Marxist-Leninist definition of fascism which equates it with capitalism. "The fight against fascism is only won when the capitalist system has been shattered and a classless society has been achieved," according to the German Antifa group, Antifaschistischer Aufbau München.

Germany's BfV domestic intelligence agency, in a special report on left-wing extremism, noted:

"Antifa's fight against right-wing extremists is a smokescreen. The real goal remains the 'bourgeois-democratic state,' which, in the reading of left-wing extremists, accepts and promotes 'fascism' as a possible form of rule and therefore does not fight it sufficiently. Ultimately, it is argued, 'fascism' is rooted in the social and political structures of 'capitalism.' Accordingly, left-wing extremists, in their 'antifascist' activities, focus above all on the elimination of the 'capitalist system.'"

www.zerohedge.com...

a reply to: 727Sky

They may call themselves Anti fascist but they are act like a totalitarian group of communist just like all other totalitarian you will believe as we believe or we will destroy you.

a reply to: 727Sky

ANTIFA is supposed to be an all encompassing abbreviated term or name for ANTI FASCIST, sound's fine right except when the supposed ANTIFA protestors start to act like the FASCISTS of 1920's Germany, Thug's, rioting, violent protests and beating people up, all exactly as the NAZI's began in Germany.

Genuine ANTI FASCISTS are decent folk.

But as we have seen Genuine Anti Fascists are not the one's in charge of these protests and riot's.

a reply to: 727Sky

The phrase "contradiction in terms" springs to mind. If they weren't so intent on erasing history they might realise that, if they get their revolution, they'll be the first up against the wall.
The new boss won't want trouble makers around once they've outlived their usefulness.

a reply to: 727Sky

antifa is not an organisation, there is no hierarchy, no leader or something like that. there are left-wing radical people within this movement but most of them are just anti-fascists. the radical variant is called 'the black block' in germany, they are often just chaotic people who enjoy setting cars on fire and attacking police officers.

That little yellow spot an the end of a barrel.

originally posted by: Plotus
That little yellow spot an the end of a barrel.

Or where the red dot stops.

Antifa is just a shortened version of Anti-Fascist. Which was shortened on right wing message boards when Anti-Fascists started becoming a part of conversations. Around 4 or 5 years ago.

It was abbreviated because after a while it wouldn’t look good to constantly be talking bad about “anti-fascists” because that implies that you are indeed a fascist. It’s just another word game that the more psychologically fluent people in the alt-right came up with to take the fascist spotlight off of themselves. “No! These people are the fascists.”

As a group, it isn’t a group. It’s just a label that people of differing ideologies apply to themselves because they oppose fascism. “A totalitarian governmental system led by a dictator and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism, militarism, and often racism." A lot of the alt-right have a problem with that, because the literal definition of fascism applies to the system of government they’ve been working so hard to make happen here in America. Read the literal definition again.

A Totalitarian governmental system, where political rivals are stripped of power and dissenting voices are silenced.

Check.

Led by a dictator. Donald Trump. A man who has tried at every turn to lead like a dictator and even went as far as having his lawyers spend over two years arguing in court that he’s above the law. Who is worshipped like a tin pot dictator by the people who follow him.

Check.

Emphasizing an aggressive Nationalism (America First! Screw the rest of the world!) Militarism (We’re going to have the strongest and most powerful military on earth now that I’m President! Believe me!)

Check.

And often racism. (“There are good people on both sides!”) Alluding to the thought that there were good people among the people carrying torches and chanting Jews will not replace us.

Check.

Donald Trump labeling them a terrorist organization should terrify anyone that even pretends to care about freedom. Because they aren’t a group. They’re a label people affix to themselves. If we cross into labeling ideas as terroristic, we’ve completely lost the plot. And mark my words, you will be next. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next week, maybe not next year, but the day will come.

If what you believe is true... (boatloads of hyperbole there fella) What do they call the going's on in Seattle with the several blocks of autonomous zone ? Blockades and weapons ?

What is Antifa

They are the borq.

All your stuff belongs to them.

Kneel before them.

Whenever we need some horse dung for the garden, there's a lovely little stables just down the lane from us.
They leave a couple of bags out by the gate and, if we're lucky, we just help ourselves when we're passing.
The horses are beautiful looking and obviously loved and cared for extremely well.
It's great stuff and works wonders on the veg plots and is a good mixer in the compost.

All completely free.

Whatever antifa are trying to sell..... I ain't buying.

originally posted by: Plotus
If what you believe is true... (boatloads of hyperbole there fella) What do they call the going's on in Seattle with the several blocks of autonomous zone ? Blockades and weapons ?

The only people calling it an autonomous zone and “CHAZ” is the media.

That’s it.

No one on Capitol Hill is referring to that. I know a lot of people that live and work there. Including a friend of mine who Tucker Carlson recently called a “warlord” and a monarch because of his leadership role. The reality is that Raz Simone is the top reason why the protests in Seattle have been peaceful. Yet that’s not the story the media is portraying...

A lot of these Fox News labeled “thugs” and anarchists are just regular people who are taking control of their community. And because they may have a different political leaning, they must be the enemy. Why didn’t I see on Fox News the video of Raz and a Trump supporter that came up and decided to defend him and stand behind him armed to protect him? I guess that doesn’t play into the narrative you all are falling for.

If you want to know what’s really going on in cap hill, go to Raz Simones Facebook account and watch his videos he’s constantly posting, including the one with the Trump supporter. These people who are taking charge of their community aren’t the enemy. The media that chooses to lie about it to push an agenda, is.

a reply to: 727Sky

Zerohedge opinion piece?

Yeah, pretty biased stuff there.

"ANTIFA" is not any sort of credible threat to the United States or the world. What has any group claiming this designation actually accomplished? At most, they're another band in the spectrum of left of center activist groups that have on occasion drifted across the line into violence.

Are they an organized international group that will overthrow Western governments? Nah.

State terrorism and threats of same certainly are far more of a threat to liberty and freedom.

a reply to: Gryphon66

It's funny how anti-facist movements spring up when you know... fascism starts brewing.

People tend to forget that fascism started off simply when ultra - nationalist and over policed states started to form, and democracy started to be put on the back burner and conveniently 'forgotten' about. It's still there, but it doesn't matter anymore because democratic processes are manufactured.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: 727Sky

Zerohedge opinion piece?

Yeah, pretty biased stuff there.

"ANTIFA" is not any sort of credible threat to the United States or the world. What has any group claiming this designation actually accomplished? At most, they're another band in the spectrum of left of center activist groups that have on occasion drifted across the line into violence.

Are they an organized international group that will overthrow Western governments? Nah.

State terrorism and threats of same certainly are far more of a threat to liberty and freedom.

The good folks in Seattle would disagree with you.

a reply to: PurpleFox

Which ones?

Show me.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's funny how anti-facist movements spring up when you know... fascism starts brewing.

People tend to forget that fascism started off simply when ultra - nationalist and over policed states started to form, and democracy started to be put on the back burner and conveniently 'forgotten' about. It's still there, but it doesn't matter anymore because democratic processes are manufactured.

Well, that's sort of a paradox isn't it? To stand up to a rise of state-sponsored or in our case I guess, state-permitted fascism, groups form that are at least willing to offer violence in response if not directly. The problem is that a group that utilizes violence to further political aims is usually classified as fascist.

I would definitely say that the current situation in the US with the rise of White Nationalists and their tendency to cling onto Nazi symbolism and idealism should be addressed, and since the current White House seems to think Nazis are good people too ... I can understand the "ANTIFA" appeal. These groups certainly helped protect residients in Charlotte a year or so ago when their town was invaded by White Nationalists-Nazis-Fascists.

I wonder sometimes if they really understand the significance of taking up the hammer-and-sickle against the swastika though.

First they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist

They they came for the Socialists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist

They they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew

They they come for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me

Martin Niemoller

a reply to: Gryphon66

I wonder sometimes if they really understand the significance of taking up the hammer-and-sickle against the swastika though.

It's interesting you say that. The Bolsheviks were actually praised by early fascists after WW1, because both sides were against the bourgeois and propping up the working class. But when they started to show their main significant differences, it became a rivalry.

It seems 'Antifa' isn't a set group of people as people have pointed out. This current manifestation of Anti fascists seem to have no end game goal, comparing them to the likes of the Bolsheviks for example is apples to oranges.

a reply to: strongfp

I find that I respond to the various "patriot militia" groups in a similar fashion.

If they're people of good intention, and they act legally, they can call themselves whatever they like.

Some are just guys getting together for shooting practice. Some are something else.