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Is Covid 19 really a family of viruses that work in tandem?

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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 11:43 AM
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I have been thinking that Covid may be a pair or more of viruses that work together. One spreads and marks the preferred hosts then the other follows behind and propagates both in a new population cluster.

I say this because we see that people most exposed to large groups of infected seem more prone to develop severe symptoms. You should never mix the viral load of two infected people anyways.

Still, I think of it like a flower being pollinated by a bee covered in pollen. One virus makes people into a "flower" and the other very similar virus makes other people into pollinators.

Then both viruses are produced in the severe infections since the virus isnt using that host for propogation and spread but rather as a factory that can be run dry /sacrificed replicating more "pollen" and "flower" viruses....and the cycle begins again.

There are STRONG theories connecting the laboratory reconstructed Spanish flu with encephalitis lethargica caused by a nearly identical strain with amino acid variations in its DNA that spread along with the main virus.




Influenza Caused Epidemic Encephalitis (Encephalitis Lethargica): The Circumstantial Evidence and a Challenge to the Nonbelievers

C P Maurizi. Med Hypotheses. May 2010

Surprisingly two different viruses were involved with the great pandemic. A single amino acid difference in the hemagglutinin of the two viruses changed the preferred receptor of the virus in the host cell. One virus has qualities that suggest that it is neurovirulent. Circumstantial evidence suggests that the cause of death in some influenza patients was neurogenic congestive heart failure with pulmonary edema.


pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

That report and hypothesis tries to link the Spanish flu Pandemic with a disease that has many similar symptoms (encephalitis lethargica).

I recommend it as a read for my theory since it clearly shows how two nearly identical but different viruses can work together and coexist similar to how I suspect is happening now.

Here is more showing that we now understand that viruses can communicate and work together to improve their odds of survival and propagation. Its not a far stretch of the imagination.:


Geneticist Rotem Sorek could see that his bacteria were sick — so far, so good. He had deliberately infected them with a virus to test whether each ailing microbe soldiered on alone or communicated with its allies to fight the attack.


But when he and his team at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel, looked into the contents of their flasks, they saw something completely unexpected: the bacteria were silent, and it was the viruses that were chattering away, passing notes to each other in a molecular language only they could understand.

They were deciding together when to lie low in the host cell and when to replicate and burst out, in search of new victims.
It was an accidental discovery that would fundamentally change scientists’ understanding of how viruses behave.


www.nature.com...

There is more that could be added as far as what we are seeing with testing issues and the reinfections of recovered and discharged patients. I will wait until more information becomes available but for now am satisfied with the explanation Im guessing at.


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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 12:18 PM
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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 12:34 PM
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Yes, they work in tandem. They use the 5G net to communicate. I also heard they can now spread from humans to computers.

You better check your computers dust filters.

Add: Maybe they react on tags a different virus left or a family virus. But I read that corona virus is not really a living organism.
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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 02:03 PM
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Its a Pleomorphic bacteria...look it up ...and start passing the right word already.Cats out of the bag...curin Covid-19 will show everyone how to cure cancer...same bug.Have a nice Day>



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: one4all

So what you are saying, since we are on a conspiracy site is that

The elite released the virus as a gift to us because we will learn how to cure cancer from it while thinning out the sick and weak.

But then -plot twist- you just get the vaccination that comes along with the mini chip tag. You know what a TENS unit is? It is formidable for BDSM sessions. They can really hurt. Imagine you have one in your bloodstream.

They turned the secret advice to put tinfoil around the head into a deadly weapon.


it is all sarcasm and garbage I need to distract myself.
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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 03:07 PM
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worst scenario....when covid meats the rabbies virus and pair........
turns humans in violent zombies...



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

I'm tending toward a more simple mechanism of initial viral load having a major effect on outcomes & severity. Take a cough to the face and you're more likely to be in trouble than from a passing floating particle.

However, I think this theory is definitely interesting - and possibly could be the start to explaining why there are such profound differences in different populations.



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 10:45 PM
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Isn't there 2 versions of this??
Variant L + M??



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: Oleandra88
a reply to: one4all

So what you are saying, since we are on a conspiracy site is that

The elite released the virus as a gift to us because we will learn how to cure cancer from it while thinning out the sick and weak.

But then -plot twist- you just get the vaccination that comes along with the mini chip tag. You know what a TENS unit is? It is formidable for BDSM sessions. They can really hurt. Imagine you have one in your bloodstream.

They turned the secret advice to put tinfoil around the head into a deadly weapon.


it is all sarcasm and garbage I need to distract myself.


Noooooo…..what I am postulating is that there is a normally occurring diet policed 3-Stage Pleomorphic Bacteria which if allowed to populate in our guts will project its natural Bacteria form as it happily lives while its bad personality traits which allow it to morph into viral shape and mass as well as fungal shape and mass lay dormant...until triggered either naturally or ON FRACKING PURPOSE BY DEVIL WORSHIPPING BLOOD DRINKING FREAKS....yes these monsters farmed us and used the impacts of this Pleomorphic Bacteria MARKETTED AS CANCERS to monetise us optimally globally. They put specific weaponised chemicals in our food and water supplies globally which are sympathetic to supporting this specific Pleomorphic bacteria....then they put "trigger chemical cocktails" all over for us to eat drink or absorb into our bodies that encourage this little beast to MORPH and begin killing people at differing speeds some over 25 years some 25 months some 25 days.....the longer you live with multiple recurring diseases the more Pharmacuticals and Medical tests and procedures you require...hundreds of Trillions of dollars worth of un-needed things have been created based upon artificially manifested senses of need.

Foods have been GMOed and intentionally demineralised and weaponised food supplies in massive marketplaces or stores are tactically selected to avoid ever selling ANTI-PARASITIC FOODS THAT STILL CONTAIN THEIR NATURAL COMPONENTS VITAMINS AND MINERAL....and not only did they do this but they also marketed the LEAST HEALTHY VEGETABLES AND FOODS POSSIBLE keeping them dirt cheap to optimise usage....these were tactical decisions which weaponised dynamics.

I am saying that the same people who were globally farming humanity for their own benefits by using this Pleomorphic Bacteria for Centuries.....have tried to Piggy-Back and weaponise this simple Pleomorphic Bacteria they suppress knowledge of from us to start a World War so they could repeat their usual Cycle of Global Humanitarian manipulation as they run and hide from the Peasants who are now educated enough to be storming the Castle with Pitchforks and flaming torches..... you see A.I did them in because they kept using the same old methods for CENTUIRES.....they were vulnerable to ALGRITIMS...TERMINALLY VULNERABLE

Yes man...its easy to kill using natural foods...the medicines they are now using are ALL MADE FROM NATURAL FOODS AND PLANTS ...ALL MEDICINES that work and are not weaponised to 1/2 arsed work CATALYSE FROM NATURALLY GROWING PLANTS BAR NONE.... these are just wee little defenseless bugs...of course its easy to kiil them....the key here is that most of the worlds population has been intentionally filled with this little bacteria....its been farmed into us intentionally to slowly bleed us over our lifetimes...si it is already INSITU....people aren't catching what is killing them so to speak....they are catching a "trigger" and this "trigger" is forcing the Pleomorphic Bacteria to behave in a WEAPONISED UN-NATURAL MANNER.

But none of that matters....because wORMWOOD AND bLACK wALNUT BASED MEDICINES AND MANY MANY OTHERS WILL KILL THESE BUGS and their PARASITIC SUPERHIGHWAY and allow our bodies to self-cure.

Using cheap easy to grow easy to make natural food/plant based anti-parasitic remedies to clean up things on the BACTERIAL VIRAL AND FUNGAL levels will allow our bodies to CURE THEMSELVES...medicines and remedies cure nothing...the word "medicine" is a fraudulent weaponised word..."remedies" remediate parasites and this allows the bodies own Auto-immune System to CURE ITSELF.

As I said the Global Cabal that has been using this process for CENTURIES made the mistake of AGAIN(Spanish Flu) weaponizing a naturally occurring bug....they were going to wipe us out......again.....but alas this will not happen due to the internet and exchange of data it allows....they were going to cull the herd....now the Herd is Culling THEM....lol....lol.

The elite released the bug to start a world war....intstead it was re-packaged and jammed up their tailpipes....and as a byproduct of this POSITIVE MOMENTUM the cure for all cancers is common knowledge unbeknownst to the masses , but it is still common knowledge...oh of course we aren't celebrating yet but for all intents and purposes this cat is long out of the bag...we will have a short lagtime before people learn what killing this bug really allows OUR BODIES TO cures.....the fraudulent "cancers".
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posted on Apr, 1 2020 @ 12:30 AM
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I figured it would be wise to track the different strains to see if my theory pans out and to keep the info organized here as it becomes available so others can see it too.

So far there are 8 major strains of Covid 19. It has slow mutations with olnly 11 base pair variations among them all so this isnt jumping around in terms of the stability of its DNA.


So far, most cases on the U.S. West Coast are linked to a strain first identified in Washington state. It may have come from a man who had been in Wuhan, China, the virus’ epicenter, and returned home on Jan. 15. It is only three mutations away from the original Wuhan strain, according to work done early in the outbreak by Trevor Bedford, a computational biologist at Fred Hutch, a medical research center in Seattle.



On the East Coast there are several strains, including the one from Washington and others that appear to have made their way from China to Europe and then to New York and beyond, Chiu said.



The COVID-19 virus does not mutate very fast. It does so eight to 10 times more slowly than the influenza virus, said Anderson, making its evolution rate similar to other coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)



While the maps are fun, they can also be “a little dangerous” said Andersen. The trees showing the evolution of the virus are complex and it’s difficult even for experts to draw conclusions from them.

“Remember, we’re seeing a very small glimpse into the much larger pandemic. We have half a million described cases right now but maybe 1,000 genomes sequenced. So there are a lot of lineages we’re missing,” he said



www.usatoday.com...













nextstrain.org...

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posted on Apr, 1 2020 @ 03:51 AM
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a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

www.nature.com...
2015 ...On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations....



posted on Apr, 1 2020 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Groshkover

Thats an interesting study. This exact problem was forecast and warned about. That study replicated a similar virus that they tweaked by adding components of other viruses they knew how to treat already so as to try different methods of treatment should such a reemergence occur. Most treatments failed and so they warned about the danger such a reemergence of these types of viruses pose.

One part that caught my eye was the part where they went over prior recent epidemics and studied the lineages of those viruses that spread to human and animal populations after crossing over from bats.

The consensus originally thought that Palm Civets (monkey ferret thing) was the species the Sars virus used to make the spiked Ace2 receptor adaptation after crossover from bats and then to humans. Instead they found that there was direct bat to human transmission and the virus used the Palm Civets as a reservoir type host to supplement the infection of human population clusters.

The infection of both species probably happened simultaneously.The differences weren't very great between the strains that infected either nor were the differences anything more than random. They were of the same lineage. Still they allowed the virus to adapt faster even though its mutation rate was slow and "random".

From the study you posted:


Coronavirus strains are maintained in quasi-species pools circulating in bat populations. (a,b) Traditional SARS-CoV emergence theories posit that host-range mutants (red circle) represent random and rare occurrences that permit infection of alternative hosts.

The secondary-host paradigm (a) argues that a nonhuman host is infected by a bat progenitor virus and, through adaptation, facilitates transmission to humans; subsequent replication in humans leads to the epidemic viral strain.

The direct paradigm (b) suggests that transmission occurs between bats and humans without the requirement of an intermediate host; selection then occurs in the human population with closely related viruses replicating in a secondary host, permitting continued viral persistence and adaptation in both.

(c) The data from chimeric SARS-like viruses argue that the quasi-species pools maintain multiple viruses capable of infecting human cells without the need for mutations (red circles). Although adaptations in secondary or human hosts may be required for epidemic emergence, if SHC014 spike–containing viruses recombined with virulent CoV backbones (circles with green outlines), then epidemic disease may be the result in humans. Existing data support elements of all three paradigms.


www.nature.com...

It would be possible that we are seeing such behavior by Covid-19 since there are already confirmed cases of pets (dogs, cats) testing positive and having gotten it from their owners.

Covid-19 may be able to lay dormant in environments it doesnt plan on contending with just to make a jump to the host it prefers once it senses the proper trigger.

That would explain why we arent seeing major genetic changes to the lineages that make their way into other animals /secondary hosts since its not actually adapting to and contending with the new /secondary host immune systems. Its looking for ANY tissue it can hunker down in while in them and tries to replicate some more of itself that are programmed to lay dormant until they can bloom and escape the temporary host and migrate to their preferred target environment.

Determining the chemical signals the Virus uses to communicate and detect itself across different species and hosts including its dormant versions would be key in determining if this bugger is actually marking and then migrating to its preferred host pool. Like a bee calling the swarm.

ADDED:
One thing I noted was that in all cases of the chimera Virus that was created and used to infect lab test animals, the subjects had moderate to significant weight loss in most cases.

***Avoid skinny and sickly acting house pets /wild animals. Just to be safe. They may be that way thanks to them carrying a butt load of their owners or neighbors already human adapted Virus in their system.

Be safe.

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posted on Apr, 1 2020 @ 07:49 PM
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Related:



RESEARCH ARTICLE
MICROBIOLOGY
On the origin and continuing evolution of SARS-CoV-2

ABSTRACT
The SARS-CoV-2 epidemic started in late December 2019 in Wuhan, China, and has since
impacted a large portion of China and raised major global concern. Herein, we investigated
the extent of molecular divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and other related coronaviruses.
Although we found only 4% variability in genomic nucleotides between SARS-CoV-2 and a bat SARS-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV; RaTG13), the difference at neutral sites was 17%, suggesting the divergence between the two viruses is much larger than previously estimated.

Our results suggest that the development of new variations in functional sites in the receptor-binding domain (RBD) of the spike seen in SARS-CoV-2 and viruses from pangolin SARSr-CoVs are likely caused by mutations and natural selection besides recombination.

Population genetic analyses of 103 SARS-CoV-2 genomes indicated that these viruses evolved into two major types (designated L and S), that are well defined by two different SNPs that show nearly complete linkage across the viral strains sequenced to date.

Although the L type (~70%) is more prevalent than the S type (~30%), the S type was found to be the ancestral version. Whereas the L type was more prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, the frequency of the L type decreased after early January 2020.

Human intervention may have placed more severe selective pressure on the L type, which might be
more aggressive and spread more quickly. On the other hand, the S type, which is evolutionarily older and less aggressive, might have increased in relative frequency due to relatively weaker selective pressure.

These findings strongly support an urgent need for
further immediate, comprehensive studies that combine genomic data, epidemiological data,
and chart records of the clinical symptoms of patients with coronavirus disease 2019
(COVID-19).

Keywords: SARS-CoV-2, virus, molecular evolution, population genetics


Oxford university press

Pdf download



posted on Apr, 1 2020 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy

Could you comment on this video....nice charts and graphs.


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 1 2020 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: Oleandra88
Wuhan female doctor Ai Fen *now disappeared* identified this as a "SARS Coronavirus".



posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 02:30 AM
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posted on Apr, 3 2020 @ 06:38 AM
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What a great question by the OP.

I have a question to.

Is Covid-19 really a Pleomorphic Bacteria that can project as a live bacteria a dead virus or a live fungus....has it been weaponised by adjusting the thickness of its fat coating, so it will project from the body in fluid as bacteria do EXCEPT after the fluid dries vaporises or dissipates when bacterias normally die.....this ones weaponised fat coat allows it to stay alive much much longer than anyone could or would imagine allowing it to drop down out of micro-droplets like time-bombs all over Hospital waiting rooms after floating around for 2-3 hours making the entire place a minefield of living fat covered little bombs...or to remain on Money much longer than imaginable.....due to dynamics of symptomatic timelines and presentations Doctors are confused...they are SURE it is being transmitted in a non-bacterial way...but it is not….this is a BACTERIAL ISSUE.....that fools us into looking for a viral solution.



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 09:46 AM
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Thats really interesting. I was going to let this thread die but your thought process and the other comment about anamorphic Bacterias....and the odd outer fat layer.

I dont know enough about this to even talk coherently about it without losing my own thoughts.

Im going to do some homework and think about it.

Im wondering if somehow this thing is the using natural bacteria in our digestive system located near the respiratory trach opening and it just spreads down..There are some unexplained digestive issues this thing causes......its maybe using the bacteria to form the outer fat layer, or harvesting resources from the bacteria to make the fat layer while in new cells it is infecting.

Maybe its symptoms differ according to where it first sets roots....since it is using different tissues to make similar structures...

Lots of good ideas with that one. Thanks for contributing to all of you!


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posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 12:48 PM
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Disclaimer:

EVERYTHING I POST IS A LAYMAN'S VIEW. I hold no degree, have experience, am trained in this, or talk about this outside of pandemics and weirdo random conversations that dont start out about it.

I truly have no business beyond personal interest and too much time and energy to be telling anyone what is what in this subject. I read a little and like the subject is all.

Anyways:

Im thinking this has more to do with the aseptic meningitis (viral Meningitis) these people are experiencing.

The neurological component may be key. I dont think it matters anymore where the materials come from for viral replication. Better fed or sicker cells would not determine a difference in the virus pumped out either. The quantity maybe.

The type of cell would matter but this bug doesn't always look to replicate in its "preferred" cell type . It has weird triggers that go off at seemingly random intervals in each person. I dont get that.

I think the main trait that stands out is the Viruses ability to roam and search for nesting spots in the body if they dont make it to the respiratory system.

Other viruses can cause swelling of the tissue surrounding the brain. The respiratory track isnt lightyears away from the brain stem and the Medulla when it can just ride the blood stream and wait.

Our breathing and heart rate and other life sustaining involuntary reflexes are controlled here in the Medulla.

This part of the brain often swells as well with viral or bacterial meningitis. All the other symptoms match covid.

I think the area of the body where entry occurs matters as far as the viruses response to the environment.

If in the digestive system through food or liquids then diarrhea and nausea sets in and the virus wastes its novelty to our immune system by the time it gets to your body's lungs...or brain stem.

If breathed in by cough droplets, as is its preferred method, then it settles in the throat and easily works its way down into your lungs. That happens faster for some than others and that time determines the severity of the symptoms as it did before. If the body learns how to overcome it before it reaches the alveoli then you dont get it to the point that you think you are going to die.

If it makes it into the body through a skin wound or by damaged lungs or anywhere really where it is eventually flowing in our blood stream, then it starts sticking to cells once it feels its close to the brain stem. Symptoms can be worse but not have respiratory issues.

(are Ruptured Alveoli and throat abrasions the programmed entry points to the blood?)

I think it has a primary objective to get into the bloodstream in enough force to settle in the Brainstem.

The primary target is not the lungs. They are used for propogation and are only a secondary component to this. I think it wants to get into the brain stem as a primary objective. Its outer layer is thick and absurdly armoured enough to roam around the body waiting to pass by the right chemical triggers to start attaching to cells for replication.

The brain is full of juicy electrical and chemical stuff.

Its like a weird combination of a more than one virus in the way it behaves.

Its ready for several environments at once.

IMO- This is connected to the ONEHEALTH cross species vaccine research.

Rift Valley Fever and a SARS type virus with the ACE2 spike already developed from one of the last epidemics?

Thats why it can infect animals we usually domesticate and us interchangeably. It is part RVF virus. The fever, confusion and problems breathing may be attributed to a neurological issue, specifically inflammation of the Medulla in the brain stem caused by a viral meningitis.

So IMO, This coronavirus is based on SARS and was combined with Rift Valley Fever virus that infects humans and livestock interchangeably and on which The Pirbright institute based its "onehealth" vaccine to be able to treat humans and animals with universal vaccines.

Possibly. I wouldn't know. Im just a conspiracy guy doing my thing.

If you do this for a living and are having a random read online. Just check it please.

Random unqualified truck driver signing off.

Cheers.


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posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: HelloboysImbackguy
a reply to: one4all

Thats really interesting. I was going to let this thread die but your thought process and the other comment about anamorphic Bacterias....and the odd outer fat layer.

I dont know enough about this to even talk coherently about it without losing my own thoughts.

Im going to do some homework and think about it.

Im wondering if somehow this thing is the using natural bacteria in our digestive system located near the respiratory trach opening and it just spreads down..There are some unexplained digestive issues this thing causes......its maybe using the bacteria to form the outer fat layer, or harvesting resources from the bacteria to make the fat layer while in new cells it is infecting.

Maybe its symptoms differ according to where it first sets roots....since it is using different tissues to make similar structures...

Lots of good ideas with that one. Thanks for contributing to all of you!



Yes it is a weaponised version of an already existing bacteria.an insitu bacteria that approximately 90% of the Global population carries at one time or another.
The bacteria enters us via parasitic inclusion in our food chain.There it remains existing in a normal bacterial form but possessing latent dormant abilities to morph its shape and mass into a dead viral imitation and a living fungal imitation.



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