I don't think Covid 19 is a natural virus

The official story right now, is that Covid19 is a virus that started in bats, migrated to pangolins (scaly ant eaters), and then to humans. There is some controversy over the pangolin part.

www.nature.com...


Basically China has these "wet markets" where live animals are slaughtered. Animals traditionally considered "wild" animals, rather than normal domestic animals are traded there. Animals which have only recently begun to be domesticated, which increases the risk for them to carry a disease that humanity has never encountered before (due to having infrequent contact with them.)

It's a plausible story on the surface, and the first instances of the disease certainly started at one of these wet markets.


But now we get to the part that's not so plausible.

It's a disease that spreads prior to the recipient showing symptoms. And also it spreads with about 1000 times more rapid spore development than soars.

Soars was basically the second or third major disease to come out of these wet markets, and Covid19 is probably the fourth.


www.cidrap.umn.edu...

What do you think are the odds that, within the first few, we would get one that is 1000 times more contagious than the others? And more importantly: what are the odds that it would have symptomless transmission right away, in its first contact with humanity?


These are both questions about likelihood of evolution. Neither trait has any reason to be strongly selected for.

Developing so many spores so early on, for rapid contagion is biologically inefficient. Such a disease would quickly spread to all of its potential hosts, who would all either recover, or die, thereby ending its existence. A successful long term disease will milk every last drop of survivability out of its hosts, preferring to keep pace with their breeding rate, so the hosts can replicate fast enough to provide long term hosting.


The second trait is even more perplexing, for an animal born disease: spreading prior to showing symptoms.

Animals don't know about contagion like humans do. Such a trait would provide perfect zero advantage. There is no selective pressure to cause it to evolve.


Can something like that occur by blind chance, with no selection benefit? Yes. Of course it can.

But what are the odds?




If this disease were created on purpose. Say, by taking a disease that does exist in animals, but then purposely mutating it to give it the two aforementioned improbable traits, then it would be the perfect "plausible deniability" weapon.

Anyone can catch it at any time. No explanation needed. Because most recipients survive naturally, the conspirators could possess, and use a vaccine on themselves when they catch it, all without drawing any suspicion (they'll say they recovered naturally.)

They could deliberately infect themselves, and then go shake hands with someone. And say they didn't know.


If the disease is ever stopped, or were successfully quarantined, they can introduce new cases at their leisure, and nobody will be able to conclusively prove that it wasn't just "one that got by" the quarantine.

It just ...... fits a little too perfectly..

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Most probably not. There is a level 4 biolab right down the street from the meat market.

Lab personnel have already been busted for selling the "infected" lab animals to the meat market.

nypost.com...

Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.

You heard me right.

Instead of properly disposing of infected animals by cremation, as the law requires, they sell them on the side to make a little extra cash. Or, in some cases, a lot of extra cash. One Beijing researcher, now in jail, made a million dollars selling his monkeys and rats on the live animal market, where they eventually wound up in someone’s stomach.

What if this whole covid 19 is just your average annual virus that the media hyped along with governments to see how long they can keep the people in line before they riot, a dry run for what's coming???

Fear is more infectious then this virus.

originally posted by: Muninn
What if this whole covid 19 is just your average annual virus that the media hyped along with governments to see how long they can keep the people in line before they riot, a dry run for what's coming???

Fear is more infectious then this virus.

indeed

Might be, but who will ever know..the "wet markets" should be carpet bombed.

a reply to: Muninn

That's what I keep hearing from Italy. Just kidding

a reply to: BlueJacket

Be prepared for the worst. Hope for the best

a reply to: Muninn

Definitely more along my thought process. Actually I think this has been hanging around the states for longer than we realize, it just got picked up by the media and then blown out of proportion.

originally posted by: Muninn
What if this whole covid 19 is just your average annual virus that the media hyped along with governments to see how long they can keep the people in line before they riot, a dry run for what's coming???

Fear is more infectious then this virus.

Jesus, have you seen what the hell is going on in Italy? Do you think the damned Chinese trashed their economy and did all the insane things to control the spread just for the hell of it?

This bug is not a super killer "unless" you cannot get care. It is a medical "overwhelmer". This virus is designed to tie up medical resources for weeks.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

It's a disease that spreads prior to the recipient showing symptoms.

Know how many diseases that statement describes ?

Hey bloodymarvelous: No, I don't think it is, either. But that just opens up a myriad, multi-layered, multi-faceted debate on what it might be, instead, and the who and the why, never mind where, as we seem to have nailed that down to Wuhan......lol, but not funny.
regards and stay safe,
tetra50

a reply to: infolurker

Jesus, have you seen what the hell is going on in Italy? Do you think the damned Chinese trashed their economy and did all the insane things to control the spread just for the hell of it?

No, apparently it's a globalist agenda to get Trump.

Maybe COVID 19 is Lil Kim Jong Un's promised Christmas Gift?

a reply to: infolurker

So you agree? You say the virus was designed to to tie up medical resources, how can you learn if you don't have a dry run?


Just food for thought.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: infolurker

Jesus, have you seen what the hell is going on in Italy? Do you think the damned Chinese trashed their economy and did all the insane things to control the spread just for the hell of it?

No, apparently it's a globalist agenda to get Trump.

Yeah... that theory is going to cause a lot of harm to those who didn't prepare because this was "nothing or fake".

originally posted by: Muninn
a reply to: infolurker

So you agree? You say the virus was designed to to tie up medical resources, how can you learn if you don't have a dry run?


Just food for thought.

Not saying it was intentional. Their labs aren't known for being secure let alone greedy employees selling test animals for food.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Muninn
What if this whole covid 19 is just your average annual virus that the media hyped along with governments to see how long they can keep the people in line before they riot, a dry run for what's coming???

Fear is more infectious then this virus.

Jesus, have you seen what the hell is going on in Italy? Do you think the damned Chinese trashed their economy and did all the insane things to control the spread just for the hell of it?

This bug is not a super killer "unless" you cannot get care. It is a medical "overwhelmer". This virus is designed to tie up medical resources for weeks.

With the average age in Italy of those dyeing from the virus being 81, that adds a bit of perspective.
Closing down society for a couple of weeks where there's an outbreak may slow the progression enough to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, and give some much needed time to manufacture equipment needed for treatment of the critically ill.

As for China- the videos of people seizing and dropping dead in the streets hasn't been the case anywhere else in the world.
When this virus broke out, they were on the verge of another Tiananmen Square crisis. Not saying they would deliberately 'eliminate' any citizens; just thinking of things that make me go 'hmmm'.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

The theory I've come to believe is that they were testing it in the level 4 lab testing it on bats and snakes then turning around selling the yest animal into the wet market.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Muninn
What if this whole covid 19 is just your average annual virus that the media hyped along with governments to see how long they can keep the people in line before they riot, a dry run for what's coming???

Fear is more infectious then this virus.

Jesus, have you seen what the hell is going on in Italy? Do you think the damned Chinese trashed their economy and did all the insane things to control the spread just for the hell of it?

There is a difference between saying "The Chinese" and a saying "a few Chinese, acting alone". Lots of ways a very rich Chinese business person could make some quick money by investing in the right businesses, or hedging other investors investments in the wrong ones.


But these markets are frequented by rich and powerful people from all over the world. It could be non-Chinese people who actually set this in motion, knowing the wet market would be a plausibly deniable starting point (since it was the starting point of SARS)

This bug is not a super killer "unless" you cannot get care. It is a medical "overwhelmer". This virus is designed to tie up medical resources for weeks.

And a big money maker for the right people. As well as a test of the public's willingness to surrender sovereignty during a crisis.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

It's a disease that spreads prior to the recipient showing symptoms.

Know how many diseases that statement describes ?

It's not uncommon for normal flu to get a 1 day lead.

www.cdc.gov...

This one gets a 5 to 6 day lead.

The researchers estimated the median incubation period at 5.1 days (95% confidence interval [CI], 4.5 to 5.8 days). They found that 97.5% of patients who have symptoms do so within 11.5 days of infection (CI, 8.2 to 15.6 days).

www.cidrap.umn.edu...

Definitely bigger than what's normal.

The kind of thing you can do in a lab, by taking the 1 day lead and deliberately selecting for longer and longer leads by timing when you let it spread from one test subject to the next.

originally posted by: Muninn
a reply to: infolurker

So you agree? You say the virus was designed to to tie up medical resources, how can you learn if you don't have a dry run?


Just food for thought.

That's some very scary food!

What we are seeing here is no crisis going to waste. Stocks taking a dive and the Fed reserve pumping money into the economy is eerily reminiscent to 2007-2008 economic recession. I remember then some economists were hypothesizing we would have a recession about every 10 years, and it has now been 12-13 years.
I think this virus may be an excuse for another economic correction.
Was it released so there could be an excuse? That’s the real question.