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From Scrutiny to Breakthrough?
His team first introduced the results, which could mark a breakthrough in physics, in a 2016 paper that was published in the respected Physical Review Letters. At the time, they had observed beryllium-8 decaying with electrons and positrons splitting at an unexpected angle of 140 degrees. However, their conclusion about the new particle and a potential fifth force of nature encountered scepticism in the scientific community, as some suspected that a lab error may have occurred.
"We introduced such a new particle, which nobody saw before, and [whose] existence could not be understood by the widely accepted 'Standard Model' of particle physics, so it faced scrutiny", Attila Krasznahorkay explained to the US broadcaster.
However, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at the University of California at Irvine Jonathan Feng was one of those who were impressed by Krasznahorkay’s results and published a paper with his research group. It theorised that this suspected fifth force is a "protophobic force", as the particles are thought to be "afraid of protons".
The Atomki group has produced three previous papers on their beryllium-8 experiments — conference proceedings in 2008, 2012 and 2015. The first paper claimed evidence of a new boson of mass 12 MeV, and the second described an anomaly corresponding to a 13.45-MeV boson. (The third was a preliminary version of the Physical Review Letters paper.) The first two bumps have disappeared in the latest data, collected with an improved experimental setup.
originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: 727Sky
The actual goal of Physics is to simplify the forces and equations, to unite them into more simple descriptions of reality.
That's usually referred to as Occam's Razor.
originally posted by: FyreByrd
You don't need to measure or see something for it to be real.
originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: 727Sky
As long as there is no independent confirmation I'd take the claims with a bucket of salt.
"The Atomki group has produced three previous papers on their beryllium-8 experiments — conference proceedings in 2008, 2012 and 2015. The first paper claimed evidence of a new boson of mass 12 MeV, and the second described an anomaly corresponding to a 13.45-MeV boson. (The third was a preliminary version of the Physical Review Letters paper.) The first two bumps have disappeared in the latest data, collected with an improved experimental setup."
You have somewhat of a point but I think you go too far with your claim. For example if you have two ways that predict the results of laboratory experiments equally well, why not have a preference for the simpler approach instead of the more complicated approach? That's essentially the reason why the aether idea was dropped, because Einstein's model explained observations more simply than the Lorentz aether model and both models make the same predictions, though if anybody ever figures out an experiment which can differentiate predictions of those models, that would be a more solid foundation for choosing the model than using Occam's razor as mainstream science has done.
originally posted by: micpsi
The goal of physics is NOT to simplify forces and equations. It is rather to incorporate them in a single, mathematical formulism that generates their own well-known, mathematical descriptions. Wanting to simplify everything is nothing more than the desperate plea of someone who cannot handle the advanced, mathematical concepts needed to achieve this goal.
-Albert Einstein, From “On the Method of Theoretical Physics,” the Herbert Spencer Lecture, Oxford, June 10, 1933. This is the Oxford University’ Press version. The words “simple,” “simplest,” and “simplicity” recur throughout the lecture.