White House: Ukraine aid held up in part over election probe

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Gryphon66

You have to back to look at media earlier this year. New Ukraine government tried to get damning info against the DNC (that the prior UKR admin colluded with) to the U.S. State Dept. State didn't want to see it. Rudy went to get it, gave it to Trump who gave it to Barr. Prosecutor Durham is handling the criminal investigation aspects now.

Media earlier this year? I've reviewed a good deal of the media on this topic and I don't find any sources that support what you're claiming.

Are you saying Zelensky wanted to find damning evidence on the DNC?

Are you saying that the prior Ukranian governemnt "colluded" with the DNC?

Are you saying that the State Department refused or ignored intel from Ukraine about the DNC?

Durham took over for Huber? Wow, I know you guys were upset about that ... big ol' nothing-burger there huh?

Sad.

Any sources, citations, evidence you are willing to provide to back up your many claims is very appreciated.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: RadioRobert

There's a lot of assumptions in what you're presenting. IF there is an on-going DOJ investigation regarding "the Crowdstrike server" and the Biden boys, and IF Mr. Trump had asked for cooperation with that investigation, you would have a better poin t.

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Well, I mean, it's an ongoing thing concerning foreign interference in 2016, and the original investigation. As Crowdstrike is obviously related to that (they alleged Russian hacking, and action was taken based on those claims)

Corwdstrikes is just one of a tonnage of analysts that presented indisputable evidence that Fancy Bear/Russians were behind the DNC (and GOP and State Voter Rolls) hacks.

This has been examined, analysed and litigated already.

For starters, CrowdStrike is not a Ukrainian company.

And there is no single, physical server that represents a piece of elusive missing evidence from the DNC breach.

Instead, the DNC shared a forensically preserved digital image of its systems with the FBI, who concluded that Russian agents had indeed hacked the network.

Much of that evidence and forensic analysis, all confirming Russia's culpability in the DNC hack, has been publicly available for years. The hackers known as Fancy Bear, now understood to be part of the Russian military intelligence agency, the GRU, made serious errors.

They left Russian-language formatting-error messages in the stolen DNC documents they published.

The metadata in those files showed they'd been handled on a computer whose username was "Felix Edmundovich;" the founder of the Soviet secret police, whose statue once stood in front of the KGB headquarters, was Feliks Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky.

Later, links in the phishing emails that hackers used to target the DNC turned out to have been created with the same account for the URL-shortening service Bitly as links used to phish hundreds of other Russian hacking targets, from Ukrainian officials to Russia-focused academics.

The indictment laid out evidence against the Russian agents as detailed as the servers they'd used,
the terms they'd typed into search engines,
the addresses they'd worked from,
and the names and faces of the exact hackers involved.

www.wired.com...

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: RadioRobert

There's a lot of assumptions in what you're presenting. IF there is an on-going DOJ investigation regarding "the Crowdstrike server" and the Biden boys, and IF Mr. Trump had asked for cooperation with that investigation, you would have a better poin t.

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Well, I mean, it's an ongoing thing concerning foreign interference in 2016, and the original investigation. As Crowdstrike is obviously related to that (they alleged Russian hacking, and action was taken based on those claims), I don't see the problem. I don't know what investigation is or has been active in the Biden case. And if the crimes were taking place in the Ukraine, I don't see an issue saying, "I've heard bad things. What's happening with that?"

Are you referring to the Huber investigation or the Durham one? Or are they the same now? Or another person being appointed to investigate the same things?

I remember some folks were SOOOO excited about Huber ... all the Democrats were finally going to get what was coming to them and then .... *crickets*

Crowdstrike is a security company as far as I know. Yes, they found that Russians had attacked our election systems.

There is no "Crowdstrike server" though, only conspiracy theories that the President seems to believe.

Ukranian officials reviewed Hunter Biden as part of the Burisma matter and found nothing. Joe Biden was VP at the time and the US and EU were both pressuring Ukraine for Shokin's removal. There's no evidence that joint effort had anything to do with any alleged Biden wrongdoing.

originally posted by: Myrtales Instinct
Anyone else think Mulvaney gets fired over this?

He should be, but I don't think he will be. He's doing dual jobs, the "acting" Chief of Staff and the Director of the Office of Budget Management. A loyalist like Mulvaney will be hard to replace.

He should quit. He's in a load of personal trouble because of this. He needs to distance himself from the admin to save his hide.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Myrtales Instinct
Anyone else think Mulvaney gets fired over this?

He should be, but I don't think he will be. He's doing dual jobs, the "acting" Chief of Staff and the Director of the Office of Budget Management. A loyalist like Mulvaney will be hard to replace.

He should quit. He's in a load of personal trouble because of this. He needs to distance himself from the admin to save his hide.

You think it was like that movie Liar Liar where suddenly Mulvaney had to tell the truth?

Geez, that's gotta hurt.

In other words, there is no missing server.

There's no physical box locked away in a vault somewhere.

There are simply copies of what the DNC's systems looked like at the time of the attack, which both CrowdStrike and the DNC confirm were shared with the FBI during the investigation, no U-Haul required.

A CrowdStrike spokesperson said Wednesday that the company is based in the US and has no specific connection to Ukraine. CrowdStrike was cofounded by its chief technology officer, Dmitri Alperovitch, who was born in Moscow and moved to America with his parents as a teenager.

Some dubious reports and far-right fringe conspiracies theories have attempted to draw a connection between Alperovitch and the Ukrainian elite, but no actual evidence of those ties appears to exist.

Still, in a 2017 interview with the Associated Press, Trump echoed that conjecture, saying of CrowdStrike that he "heard it’s owned by a very rich Ukrainian." Again, this is false. It's also not the first time Trump has valued fringe theories over the findings of his own intelligence community.

www.wired.com...

a reply to: Extorris

So the President of the United States tried to use his executive authority to coerce the leader of another nation over a baseless, debunked THEORY?

Lord love a duck.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Time out ... I have a question. Why did the President think that Ukraine had the "Crowdstrike" server?

Who does have that thing? Do you claim to know where it is?

Lolz🤪

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Time out ... I have a question. Why did the President think that Ukraine had the "Crowdstrike" server?

Who does have that thing? Do you claim to know where it is?

Lolz🤪

Don't know. Nope.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Extorris

So the President of the United States tried to use his executive authority to coerce the leader of another nation over a baseless, debunked THEORY?

Lord love a duck.

Yup a DEBUNKED theory is what Maddow and chuck todd keep saying and you have fallen victim to fake news.
Hunter Biden is and was guilty but you have been told its DEBUNKED so fall in line.....

Lolz🤪

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Time out ... I have a question. Why did the President think that Ukraine had the "Crowdstrike" server?

Who does have that thing? Do you claim to know where it is?

Lolz🤪

Don't know. Nope.

Maybe you dont have the security clearance that the POTUS has?

That sounds like something you cant spin....

Lolz🤪

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Extorris

So the President of the United States tried to use his executive authority to coerce the leader of another nation over a baseless, debunked THEORY?

Lord love a duck.

Yup a DEBUNKED theory is what Maddow and chuck todd keep saying and you have fallen victim to fake news.
Hunter Biden is and was guilty but you have been told its DEBUNKED so fall in line.....

Lolz🤪

If the theory is not debunked, then prove it to me. It can't be that hard, eh?

Prove that Ukraine has a "Cloudstrike server" or the DNC server or whatever POTUS is babbling about.

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Time out ... I have a question. Why did the President think that Ukraine had the "Crowdstrike" server?

Who does have that thing? Do you claim to know where it is?

Lolz🤪

Don't know. Nope.

Maybe you dont have the security clearance that the POTUS has?

That sounds like something you cant spin....

Lolz🤪

I don't have a security clearance at all.

What does that have to do with the price of a "Cloudstrike server" in the Ukraine?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Time out ... I have a question. Why did the President think that Ukraine had the "Crowdstrike" server?

Who does have that thing? Do you claim to know where it is?

Lolz🤪

Don't know. Nope.

Maybe you dont have the security clearance that the POTUS has?

That sounds like something you cant spin....

Lolz🤪

I don't have a security clearance at all.

What does that have to do with the price of a "Cloudstrike server" in the Ukraine?

I dont have a security clearance either. That's why I dont go on the internet and try to spread "FACTS" that I dont have......

If you believe the DNC server and the Clinton server were all on the up and up without all of the facts, that is on you.

I, personally, found out that most of Clinton's emails including classified ones were found on a laptop in nyc mixed in with child porn. So the whole "wiped with a cloth" didnt pass the smell test for me......

Lolz🤪

a reply to: Scepticaldem

Anything I claim as facts I document with reliable sources. If you are confused by the difference between a fact and an opinion just ask me.

As I will do now ...what in the heck are you talking about??? I haven't made any claims about any server anywhere being "on the up-and-up." I'm not sure why you're talking about Clinton's emails because that is WAAAY off topic here.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You think it was like that movie Liar Liar where suddenly Mulvaney had to tell the truth?

LOL IDK, maybe. But, he sure set himself on fire with that presser. We're watching a lot of rats flee the ship...Rick Perry being the latest. I don't think it's a stretch to envision Mulvaney's leave, but it would be a mistake for Trump to fire him.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I saw that Rick was leaving today. Kinda sad, I like Perry as one of those "ah, ya big lug" types.

I guess the glasses didn't help.

originally posted by: Oraculi
You notice how the whole Constitution mandated impeachment inquiry is being treated as if it were a crime? It's very telling of those who would rule us.

It isn't being treated as a crime, it is simply being treated as an informal inquiry with no teeth since 'The House of Representatives' has yet to do anything with regard to anything to do with 'impeachment'.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
"Goods or services offered free or at less than the usual charge result in an in-kind contribution. Similarly, when a person pays for services on the committee’s behalf, the payment is an in-kind contribution. An expenditure made by any person in cooperation, consultation or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate’s campaign is also considered an in-kind contribution to the candidate."

Thanks for making it clear - nothing Trump has done even comes close to fitting that description...

a reply to: tanstaafl

I don't disagree with you, mostly because Mr. Trump asked about "the Cloudstrike server" which doesn't seem to actually exist or have ever existed. That and the POTUS has extraordinary latitude when dealing with the leaders of other countries.

I guess we will see.