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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: seeker1963
No. They just hate Trump. So much so that they have abandoned any action that would support their campaigns and platforms (like gun control, etc) in favor of a crackhead approach to impeaching Trump.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: underwerks
I didn't know the President of Ukraine was an expert on U.S. law concerning the President.
does he have to be?
or does he just have to tell us that there was no pressure applied, which is what he did
funny how little weight his part in all of this is given
you know since he is the one that was "being extorted" and all
would he be more credible if he was giving a 2nd or 3rd hand account of the call?
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: underwerks
I didn't know the President of Ukraine was an expert on U.S. law concerning the President. You learn something every day.
Just quoting this as an example to others of how to completely miss a point and look like an utter fool.
originally posted by: underwerks
Just finished watching the hearings. The main takeaway is that after an IG investigation into whether or not the allegations in the whistleblower complaint were credible, they found they were. And Maguire agrees with that assessment. Any other dancing around he's doing is not to anger his bosses.
And that's pretty much it.
Say what you want, but the delusionary world you all have created for yourselves doesn't have much time left.
In the words of a famous right wing hack, facts don't care about your feelings.
originally posted by: underwerks
Anyone else catch the tweet Trump just deleted?
My god. These people are shook.
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: fivecats
The letter that has been provided is dated the 12 August 2019 and addressed to adam schiff.
Yeah, but Schiff didn't get it until last night. They should have had it 3 weeks ago.
originally posted by: kwakakev
It reminded me of reading Sorcha Faal going through the witness document.
At the 1:20 mark Joe Biden is saying that "If you do not fire the special prosecutor you do not get your Billion dollars, you have 6 hours before I leave." The special prosecutor he is talking about is the one investigating his son, Hunter Biden.
Joe is stuck with the smoking gun the Dems have been trying to put on Trump. There is a very strong case of impeachment for quid pro quo, but this train is headed at Joe. Boom.
There is also that cloudstrike server that was mentioned in the discussion between Trump and Zelenskyy. It may have those 30K deleted Hillary emails. Boom.
so cia agent eh and an expert on ukraine politics guess the members saying that it was not an intelligence agent were mistaken, at least if the NYT info is correct
The New York Times is claiming the whistleblower behind a complaint made about a phone conversation between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart is a male CIA officer who at one point had been detailed to the White House. The report, which the Times says was corroborated by three sources, paints the most detailed portrait of the insider to this point, though he has yet to be named publicly. The Times also reports that, based on the wording of his complaint, the whistleblower likely has extensive knowledge of Ukrainian politics.
and one more snippit mostly to show those that think this is the first time a president has gone after whistle blowers
I called up John Kiriakou, a former CIA agent who spent 23 months in federal prison thinking this stuff over, to see if he could help. Kiriakou is one of the nine government leakers or whistleblowers that the Obama White House and/or the Justice Department has sought to prosecute under the Espionage Act, a law passed under Woodrow Wilson during World War I that was meant to target double agents working for foreign governments. (Among the other eight actual or prospective defendants are Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden.) Under all previous presidents, incurious George included, the Espionage Act was used for that purpose exactly three times. If you’re keeping score, that’s nine attempted prosecutions in seven years, versus three in 91 years. Kiriakou had a whole lot to say, especially about former Attorney General Eric Holder and current CIA director John Brennan, whom he sees as the prime movers behind the administration’s secrets-and-lies agenda — and also as the guys who railroaded him over what he describes as a minor indiscretion. Kiriakou spent 15 years in the CIA, first as an analyst and then as a covert operative. He was involved in the capture of Abu Zubaydah, and apparently knew that the alleged senior al-Qaida operative was waterboarded by CIA interrogators, although he was not directly involved.
posting this part to show how brennan apparntly reacts when he holds a grudge and as some members have implied he is involved in this although that has yet to be proven
“People ask me all the time if I blame Obama for this, and I tell them I don't think Obama has any idea who I am,” he went on. Holder and Brennan had the president’s ear, Kiriakou believes, and for reasons of their own they were devoted to punishing all leakers who made the administration look bad. “I still have friends in the White House. I still have friends in the CIA. They tell me that it was John Brennan who was the real impetus behind these prosecutions, when he was assistant national security advisor for counterterrorism. Brennan was obsessed with leaks just like Holder was obsessed with leaks, and it was Brennan who pushed these prosecutions forward.”
feel this adds context to the whole situation that the intel agencies are going out of there way to cause chaos
Kiriakou continued. “It's when you report on waste, fraud, abuse or illegality, or you embarrass the government or contradict a policy, that’s when the whole weight of the government is gonna crash down on your head.”