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the government announced its latest power-grab over the immigration system

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posted on Aug, 25 2019 @ 10:52 PM
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In an unprecedented attempt at agency overreach to dismantle the Immigration Court, the Department of Justice, Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) today published a new interim rule, effective next Monday, which takes steps to dismantle the Immigration Court system," Judge Ashley Tabaddor, president of the National Association of Immigration Judges, said in a statement. "DOJ's action ends any transparency and assurance of independent decision making over individual cases."

the government announced its latest power-grab over the immigration system

Over the weekend, and effective this Monday, the government announced its latest power-grab over the immigration system. There's always been a fundamental problem with placing the immigration courts under the purview of an administrative agency—in practice and in theory, the prosecutor and the adjudicator are agents of the same administration—but now any pretense that the courts aren't just an arm of the government's policy program has been lifted. For all the noise about Trump being a product of "populism," the chief effect of this administration, from the very fact of its election to its mode of rule, is the anti-democratic, counter-majoritarian consolidation of power into permanent minority rule. Like I've said before: the rule of law won't save us when the court answers to the king.



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posted on Aug, 25 2019 @ 11:12 PM
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1st and foremost - Immigration IS a Federal Government responsibility . Always has been. Not left to Circuit Courts to decide.
2nd - NPR is not too "educated" in US Civics (at least in the case of this "opinion piece")

What this is doing is forcing those "Courts" to "toe the line" as far as Federal Laws and Regulations for Immigration
As they should all the time.

Done
Next
Denyng Ignorance
Why ?
Folks put too much stock in "glorified headlines"


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posted on Aug, 25 2019 @ 11:19 PM
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the government announced its latest power-grab over the immigration system


Immigration has always been purview of the federal government. Your basically claiming the government stripped it's own power away so it can take charge.
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posted on Aug, 25 2019 @ 11:44 PM
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How many people knew this?.....🎱

(from OP Article Link)

The judges, 440 in total, are employees of the Justice Department and not part of the independent judiciary.


😃


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posted on Aug, 25 2019 @ 11:45 PM
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There's always been a fundamental problem with placing the immigration courts under the purview of an administrative agency—in practice and in theory, the prosecutor and the adjudicator are agents of the same administration—but now any pretense that the courts aren't just an arm of the government's policy program has been lifted. For all the noise about Trump being a product of "populism," the chief effect of this administration, from the very fact of its election to its mode of rule, is the anti-democratic, counter-majoritarian consolidation of power into permanent minority rule.


Did you type that with a straight face, or just typed it with no idea that the Executive branch has full control over immigration anyways?

And what I put in bold?

We are not a Democracy, are inherently anti-majoritarian (LOL at THAT word) and our Republic was set up so that we would not have a mob rule.

For a very good reason... since mob rule (or a Democracy) does not protect the minority.

Civics classes for you... stat!!!!




posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 01:51 AM
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originally posted by: DarkPalSFO


In an unprecedented attempt at agency overreach to dismantle the Immigration Court, the Department of Justice, Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) today published a new interim rule, effective next Monday, which takes steps to dismantle the Immigration Court system," Judge Ashley Tabaddor, president of the National Association of Immigration Judges, said in a statement. "DOJ's action ends any transparency and assurance of independent decision making over individual cases."

the government announced its latest power-grab over the immigration system

Over the weekend, and effective this Monday, the government announced its latest power-grab over the immigration system. There's always been a fundamental problem with placing the immigration courts under the purview of an administrative agency—in practice and in theory, the prosecutor and the adjudicator are agents of the same administration—but now any pretense that the courts aren't just an arm of the government's policy program has been lifted. For all the noise about Trump being a product of "populism," the chief effect of this administration, from the very fact of its election to its mode of rule, is the anti-democratic, counter-majoritarian consolidation of power into permanent minority rule. Like I've said before: the rule of law won't save us when the court answers to the king.


I'm sorry. Usually I read a thread before commenting.
But there is no power grab. Immigration is subject to the rule of the federal government.
Your premise is false from the onset. Nothing to do about trump.



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 04:00 AM
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Like I've said before: the rule of law won't save us when the court answers to the king.

Which country do you reside in that has a 'King" ?



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 04:22 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Democratic process, or democracy is a very broad subject, which includes republics.

Did the big words confuse you?



consolidation of power into permanent minority rule.


Isn't anywhere near a democratic process. OP is correct, they are shuffling around the courts to gain full control of it. But hey, what ever keeps them illegals out.



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 04:26 AM
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so. just so I understand your thread... it's about the govt. taking control of a govt. department... right?
...and that is an attack on democracy???

Could you explain it a little better please.
Having trouble seeing the issue... at the moment it sounds as crazy as saying something like 'the govt. just announced it's latest power grab over the tax system'.

I am sure you have something in there somewhere that upset you, but if you could expand a little on what you are talking about, that would be great.

Thanks.

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posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 04:43 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Sure it can be an issue. It can become a partisan issue within government.


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posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 04:46 AM
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Oh no! the government is doing its job!!!

Its truly a shame that after 8 years of obama its hard for people to recognize government doing what its supposed to do.



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 06:40 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: UKTruth

Sure it can be an issue. It can become a partisan issue within government.


Partisan issues and debates are not anti-democratic.
Only one branch of Govt are responsible for administering law, so debates with other branches are irrelevant.
Congress can pass new laws.
There is no power grab and no undermining of democracy.
The Executive branch is responsible for the administering law and the President has ultimate authority to administer those laws as he sees fit as long as no laws are broken in the process of administration.

So, still waiting for an explanation on the issue that would suggest a power grab or anything that is "anti-democratic".


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posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Its as if they don't realize Congress can pass whatever laws they can agree on so much as to get the votes still. Regardless of what court an immigration case is tried in the trial is still based on the law. As president Trump or even his DOJ can require the judges to get that job done however he or they want. If people dont like the laws maybe call your representatives in Congress and tell them about it.
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posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 08:58 AM
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You should not feel good about this post and NPR should feel pretty stupid calling this a "power grab".



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: DarkPalSFO

This is of course nonsense " the government announced its latest power-grab over the immigration system." That's not a power grab, that's pretty much their only job, preventing foreign invasions. Will the government announce a "power grab" over the post office next?



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

That seemed amazingly stupid to me as well. How can people hear something so stupid and not notice how stupid it is? Is the next "government power grab" going to affect the military or post office?



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: DarkPalSFO


"power-grab"?


NPR up to it's usual tricks.


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posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Because it doesnt technically break laws it's not a power grab?

It seems this has been tried before from Obama era. And it was shut down. It's a power grab. Attempting to make 440 judges essentially irrelevant, to streamline a process where over 900,000 cases need to be heard isnt democratic either.

en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

It's not a power grab if the US government already has authority over it. For god sake read and internalize what is being said.



posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

The article says it best:


While couched in bureaucratic language, the impact of this regulation is to substitute the policy directives of a single political appointee over the legal analysis of non-political, independent adjudicators.


Oh well...







 
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