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Communist America: How long ago did America fall

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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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So many will come in a flame me of being a hater and I too would follow suit before today and the revisiting my personal convictions on the world we know. The suicide today was just icing on the cake and if anyone believes that man is dead by suicide your naive. Furthermore, with his assets and im sure there are processes in place to protect him from being erased by murder i doubt he died today but has a purchased a dissapearing ticket.

10 signs we live in a country that is no longer the republic that we are lead to believe it is:

1. Systematic racism that has now euthanized prevented or murdered unborn in a program designed explicitly to target African Americans.

2. Members of Congress are allowed to inside trade without penalty. Members of congress may without penalty plan and vote by the urging of corporations via lobbyist.

3. Taxes have become a huge burden to the average person whereas it is a minute bother to the corporations and their top shareholders.

4. Regulations circumvented with the excuse of being on the state level intervene in every single step of our lives.

5. So often you hear of mind control manipulating the masses and the occasional person that appears to up and one day do the unthinkable while maintaining a mostly peaceful life before that moment.

6. The media on both sides follow a narrative or script on what portion of the population they need to speak too.

7. The Unconstitutionality of laws that require interpretation by lawyers and are not reasonably simple to understand by the masses.

8 The foreign wars racking up millions of innocent civilians dying by actions our government took.

9. The creation of the boogie man to control the narrative and focuses of the masses.

10 The continuous demonstrations where the upper caste are immune to prosecution that the masses are not afforded that luxury.

Im, sure there's more that can be put there but I'm not a conspiracy theorist and don't follow politics typically cause it all seems like a play scripted to control the masses much like king James and his version of the bible.




posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Saiker

These sound like problems within a nation that has used capitalism as the main source of an economy and alienated the individual worker into consumerism, while attempting to maintain a welfare state.

How is this a communist problem?



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: Saiker

I pretty much agree with our ten points as being recognizable in The US today.
But what I question is your use of the blanket term ''Communist''.

If we look at that entire list, it does not stem from Communism alone because the US has always been a capitalist economy, that is what has made the nation what it is today. It has nothing to do with communism.

Sure, all the Communist states we have seen have ended up totalitarian and authoritarian but to believe that totalitarianism is only existent under Communism is miss-comprehended. Authoritarianism can also arise in a nation that holds capitalism as it's machine of economics as well.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Authentic Capitalism allows fair competition without intervening in favor of those that have money to bribe them with. Walmart, Amazon, Apple among so many other large companies can afford to dictate through lawyers and congress on what laws should be enforced and taxes charged in essence giving them the unfair advantage over small companies.

Furthermore, you can buy a cell phone charger on eBay or Amazon for less than 3 dollars and have it shipped across the world for free and still be profitable. Where a company here in us will pay 3 dollars or more just to ship the same product more less to produce it.

Communism has always been a system where a few at the top enrich themselves while standing atop the masses and pressing them all down equally.
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In addition, the climate is a tell tale capitalistic foundation hijacked by a class to enforce communistic principals in order to enrich their own caste.

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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: Saiker

Communism is where capitalism is void of government and the economy and political matters are dictated by the workers.

Where does any of what you are saying does that fit within' communism?

What you described is what peak capitalism or end stage capitalism looks like. Adam Smith himself even revealed that he key to making a capitalist economy happy and work well is to basically make consumerism the main force behind it. Otherwise, the middle class will become desperate and void of what they are working towards. Sound familiar?



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: Saiker




Authentic Capitalism allows fair competition without intervening in favor of those that have money to bribe them with.


Even if we hold that this is true, it does not address the point that capitalism does not within i'ts own philosophy prevent the ''bastardization'' of the system into the rich guy gets it all situation we see today.

It's capitalism that has morphed into this winner take all problem not that we have been overcome by communists. We have been taken over by unfettered capitalism run wild. That means that most of the profit generated by that capitalist economy flows straight to the top.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: Saiker

They took him off 24hr watch dude. What did ya think was going to happen?

Other than I agree with your points.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 04:59 PM
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I'm failing to see the communism.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:01 PM
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A more accurate term, would be a kleptocracy. Politicians become filthy rich, by profiting from their offices.

It's legalized theft. They passed the laws, that let them get away with it.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: Saiker


Look I am NOT from the US but there is something in your history that is very important.

"Taxation WITHOUT Representation".

If you want to know when your country went to the dog's then look no further than when it allowed special interests group's and men with money take control, when your vote was no longer important, when keeping your people EDUCATED and INFORMED was no longer there priority because that is when you lost your nation.

As for Communism, you do not have anything like Communism - BUT - Neither did Stalinist Russia or even Leninist Russia, oh they called it communist but it was more about power to the Party which was NEVER the people of that system and only the Members of the party specifically the high ranking ones, once Stalin came into control it became a nation under the control of it's secret police and army, communism actually works BUT only on a very small scale as in closed tiny economy's were everyone works for one another and act's as a single family because that is the only time that it work's for the community to own almost everything because they are the community and the best example of this working is the early Christian Church and the more recent Kibbutz model.

What you actually have is an autocracy ran by corporation's and reactionary's, lying to your electorate is nothing new to them but hey guess what it's pretty much the same everywhere you look in the world these day's, men with money control the world and most government's are mere puppet's of these men.

Read your constitution and the History behind it "No Taxes without Representation", what does that really mean, does it mean don't pay taxes to a British Monarch and not being represented or was it the spirit of those word's were the people WANTED to be heard and in control of there own destiny - the same as in fact the French revolutionary's did, the Russian Revolutionary's did - or was it just for a few, the slave owning founding fathers of your nation.

But to my mind it mean's this, the people should run your nation through an elected representative in a FAIR and UN- RIGGED system, problem is how do you keep it fair and how do you make certain it is not rigged, BAN the money from it - how do you do that and still have fund's for those election campaign's and the financial backers whom then really end up running your nation through there puppet's.

Free Speech - Freedom of the Press - Informed populace.

These word's only make sense when you remember FREE Speech is about the truth or finding out what the truth is.
Freedom of the press in the spirit of that was not about tabloid's printing lewd lies or backing some guy simply because some rich guy wanted him in power it was actually about freedom to print the truth and not be shut down for doing so - how many time's have your court's and even government sat on those that did just that, how many reporters are now dead and which press is FREE these day's when they are controlled by an elite few crook's with huge bank account's that do NOT pay there share of the tax but DO run your country through there puppet's.
Informed populace - how can they be informed if every conspiracy site is attacked, every thing that goes contrary to the thing's that they WANT you to hear is silenced and every so called official press source is owned by those same guy's that see you as cattle and want to control you.

Now don't get me wrong I am NOT attacking you, your point's of view whomever you people may be or especially your nation but I am making a jibe at those bad guy's that rule without paying there fair share of the tax through there proxy corporations and political foundations with there puppet's in power that do NOT represent YOU.

And you are not the only nations in the world with this Universal problem of corruption and suppression of the truth.

How they can protect the worst people in society - those that have all the power and use it only for themselves and whom long ago - maybe even at it's beginning subverted your political system to there own end's - and not just your system but our's and many other nation's in the world the so called elite - not all of them but those power players the likes of which just murdered that dirty little man in his cell so that he could not take some of them down with him as he fell.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: Saiker

This is all just capitalism doing what capitalism does. Profits above all. Nothing about capitalism is about being 'fair'. It's about profits, crushing competition, circumventing/writing regulation to better profits (i.e. owning government to do so), doing things as cheap as possible (including labor) to turn as much profit as possible, etc. This is just capitalism winning.

It sounds like you want to inject morals and rules into capitalism. That sounds like socialist democrat talk.



posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: Saiker

Laissez faire capitalism results is obscene levels of wealth inequality. Some of Marx's criticisms of laissez faire capitalism seem accurate to me:



I don't think communism is our country's main problem. I think we've completely lost the rule of law. Organized crime now runs the government. Everything is a racket to serve the billionaires.

In terms of communism, we are pretty far away from the worker who is making the median from owning anything. Everyone making the median worker's wage is broke or massively in debt. I think we have a much higher chance of seeing debtor's prisons in this country before we see communism in the worker's favor.


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posted on Aug, 10 2019 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Crony capitalism has bypassed government in the US tho. Google, Amazon, Apple are all perfect examples.



posted on Aug, 11 2019 @ 02:38 AM
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To be honest, I doubt you would be able to identify a communist if he/she/it jumped up, slapped you for attention and sang the Internationale while nipple-pinching you.

Pretty much all your points are just signs of a complex society and a political system that is possibly dysfunctional at certain levels, layered with simplistic and biased judgement.



posted on Aug, 11 2019 @ 07:28 AM
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The United States is not in the slightest bit Communist. It is still probably one of the most capitalists places on the planet. The USA is the headquarters of global capitalism. Even the policies that people are loosing their heads over of Bernie Sanders are not "communist". Their moderately "Socialist" if anything and not even as left wing as many policies that have existed successfully in places like Western Europe, Canada and Australia since the 1950's.

In Australia, until the 1990's, we had one state owned telecommunications company, our railways were state owned, our power was state owned, we had two state owned broadcasters, our biggest bank was state owned, our ports were state owned, our domestic airline was state owned, we had extensive state owned public housing and free university education. We had powerful trade unions that could call strike action across multiple sectors and bring the country to a halt until industrial demands were addressed. Australia was still considered a capitalist country.

Americans have a strange idea of what constitutes Socialism/communism.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: harold223

While all of you feel u know what you're talking about and some have valid points. The wealthy growing wealthier is a capitalistic principle if government ensured that its laws did not benefit one over another then it becomes non-capitalistic. The encouragement by these corporate giants that sensor free speech on their dominating the public forums and encouraging socialistic principles found in communistic societies are empowered by their arms the government whom they own.



posted on Aug, 12 2019 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: Saiker

All your problems explains corporatism. The exact opposite of communism by extreme. Except #1 which was a white man ruler who is trying to decide that the rest of the races of earth should fail. If not, the entire UN will be supporting such agendas at the start. Thank god for Chinese medicine and cures.
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