Will Star Trek ever return to the formula that made it one of a kind?

a reply to: Bluntone22

Here's a really oldie but goodie. Great theme music. Lots of 1960s sexism:

a reply to: dfnj2015

Smeg head!

a reply to: dfnj2015

I remember that one. It was pretty good.

Space 1999 was good too.
Similar to star trek.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: EternalSolace

Netflix original series follow a really good formula.

Not really.

Their claiming Lucifer as one of their own.

They did not create it. They bought it.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Colony, Travelers, 100, have been great!

Two out of 3 ain't bad.

I could never get in to Colony.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
Are today's film and studio creators so afraid current gen fears from arm chair socialists and arm chair SJW's, that they cannot continue in the path that Star Trek was meant to go?

I agree. It should revert to the 60's-influenced socialist utopia theme from the original.

No money, no military, just a bunch of people going where no man has gone before, like green alien chicks.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Me too! Enterprise just came out at the wrong time I think. It just wasn't what viewers wanted at the time, but I think its my favourite of them all. (I always feel scared saying that out loud!) People really need to give it another go. Especially if they are left wanting after the latest netflix/cbs trek.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Star trek used to be about exploring new worlds with a sprinkling of social commentary.

Not it's all social commentary with a sprinkling of well nothing I guess...

originally posted by: Bluntone22
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Star trek used to be about exploring new worlds with a sprinkling of social commentary.

Huh? Pretty much every episode had some hokey morality message it was trying to deliver, they spread the commentary on like peanut butter.

War was one of Star Trek’s major issues, as the real battle in Vietnam raged during the show’s entire three-season run. H. Bruce Franklin writes, “By the time the first Star Trek episode was broadcast in September 1966, the United States was fully engaged in a war that was devastating Indochina and beginning to tear America apart. By the time the final Star Trek episode aired in June 1969, the Vietnam war seemed endless, hopeless, and catastrophic. Four episodes that were broadcast between the spring of 1967 and January 1969, the most crucial period in the war and for America, relate directly to the war. Taken as a sequence, these four episodes dramatize a startling and painful transformation in the war’s impact on both the series and the nation.”

The most prominent of those episodes was “The City on the Edge of Forever,” wherein McCoy (DeForest Kelley) goes back in time and accidentally changes the future. Kirk (William Shatner) and Spock (Leonard Nimoy) follow him and prevent it from happening. In the past, they meet a peace activist whose outcome in the episode leads to variances in America’s involvement in World War II. The episode’s subtext is heavily in support of the growing citizen movement against the Vietnam War, to which Roddenberry was sympathetic. It’s now regarded as one of the most notable Star Trek episodes produced. Source

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

They made 80 episodes and lots of them dealt with subjects not directly related to social commentary.

Some episodes were only about sending a message.

My point is that there was a balance that doesnt exist in discovery.
Until they get back that balance the shows will fail.

a reply to: Bluntone22

The entire first series was about sending messages, all of them being social, Rodenberry makes this very clear. It's a little too near and dear for some people to see but if this series came out now people would be whining about the same SJW stuff they are now in regards the newer series.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: EternalSolace

Netflix original series follow a really good formula.

Not really.

Their claiming Lucifer as one of their own.

They did not create it. They bought it.

Yeah, I don't consider Lucifer to be sci-fi. What I mean by "good formula" is that it holds my interest and I enjoy the story lines.

One of the best original series episodes ever put to music:



"I'm a doctor not a brick layer"

originally posted by: Qumulys
a reply to: dfnj2015

Me too! Enterprise just came out at the wrong time I think. It just wasn't what viewers wanted at the time, but I think its my favourite of them all. (I always feel scared saying that out loud!) People really need to give it another go. Especially if they are left wanting after the latest netflix/cbs trek.

Me too with regard to admitting it. I was surprised how the Star Trek fans did not embrace it.

I thought the time travel police would become its own series.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Nope.
Identity politics has ruined it.

Just like it has ruined dr who and Star Wars.

Marvel is next.... Just watch..

Star trek was always full of politics and social issues.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: EternalSolace

Netflix original series follow a really good formula.

I keep hoping they will come out with a stargate series like stargate universe.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I would love that!

a reply to: scraedtosleep

As I said above. It had some balance.
It went from politics woven into the plots to politics being the plot.

I'll give an example of social issues being addressed in the original series.

Platos stepchildren...
I had to look up the episode name.

The captain kisses a black woman.
It's one of the early sexual interactions between blacks and whites on television.

The entire episode is about doctor McCoy being held captive by mind controlling aliens.
That kiss while making a statement was just a blip on the plot.

Today Kirk would be kissing spock and there would be several episodes based on dealing with their budding romance.
Oh and maybe we will see an alien..

a reply to: EternalSolace

I agree somewhat. I mean I watched and enjoyed most of Discovery so I can't say its terrible but I do wish Star Trek would go back to how it was with the original shows. The sad reality is, whether you talk about licensing rights etc. the point of Star Trek or at least most of the memorable moments from the original run (Original Series and Next Gen) is that it used science fiction to tell interesting stories that reflected real world issues, racism etc. It used science fiction to look at some of the wrongs of the real world and addressed them but since the recent film reboot series it has become more about explosions and filling the screen with as much CGI as possible to distract from the poor plots. But I cannot see it going backwards, Star Trek has fallen into a formula of its own and I cannot see it breaking from it.

Side Note: My dislike of the new films isn't because it is far removed from Star Trek, I understand that sometimes what works on television might not work as well on the big screen. It has more to do with the fact that in every film somehow the bad guy has a connection with the Federation or blames the Federation for something oh and the enterprise is almost always destroyed in one way or another. Here's an idea, have the Enterprise flying through space returning something to somewhere and on the way said destination they're attacked or come across a cargo ship with people inside and we discover that there is a planet to planet slave trade etc. that's what the old shows would do.