It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Why does no one care that the ISIS caliphate was destroyed?

page: 1
11
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 11:54 AM
link   
It wasn’t so long ago that ISIS territory was dramatically expanding in an attempted realization of its world-wide caliphate.

Impelled by its hatred of non-believers and the modern world, ISIS was on a path to genocide and world domination. It murdered, raped and pillaged the people as it did the land. Whoever did survive lived under theocratic tyranny, was made a sex slave, or was subject to threat and persecution. It burned books, churches, mosques, libraries and museums. It tortured, beheaded, and desecrated its prisoners, which it filmed for use in its propaganda. It inspired the insane to commit acts of terror all over the globe. This reign of terror destabilized the region and helped spur the ongoing migrant crisis.

But a ragtag group of brave Freedom fighters backed by a coalition of states and mercenary volunteers dealt a fatal blow to the Islamic State death cult, which was finally driven out of Syria like it was in Iraq. The people of Syria and Iraq are, after so many years, liberated from the menace that has effectively ruined the lives of countless millions.

Given their aspirations, ISIS was (and still might be) an existential threat to the entire globe. The mass graves, the ruined cities, the diaspora attest to their wickedness. But in this case the forces of good defeated the forces of evil.

So where is the celebration?




posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 11:57 AM
link   
a reply to: Tartuffe

It wasn't destroyed just fragmented , the territory is gone but the ideal remains.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 11:59 AM
link   

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Tartuffe

It wasn't destroyed just fragmented , the territory is gone but the ideal remains.


The caliphate is destroyed. The people who lived under its tyranny are liberated. No cause for celebration?



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:01 PM
link   
I think people still remember "mission accomplished" claims and then the fallout.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:02 PM
link   
a reply to: Tartuffe



Given their aspirations, ISIS was (and still might be) an existential threat to the entire globe.


Yeah right, I personally think the bodies stacking up in the name of US neocolonialism is indication of a far greater threat, ISIS were never a global threat, media highlighting and government agendas frightened you is all

edit on -180002019-04-16T12:04:00-05:000000000030201900042019Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:04:00 -0500 by Zcustosmorum because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:03 PM
link   
it is not destroyed...


"But a ragtag group of brave Freedom fighters"


communists, socialists, anarchists, anti-fascists



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:03 PM
link   
Because physically transplanting them from point A (Syria) to point B (Wherever) doesnt do any good. You have to kill the ideal. The mindset. You have to make life better in those regions so people dont stoop to the ISIS level because they have no better option.

People are waking up to this reality.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:05 PM
link   

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
it is not destroyed...


"But a ragtag group of brave Freedom fighters"


communists, socialists, anarchists, anti-fascists


You talking about Portland?


+4 more 
posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:05 PM
link   
a reply to: Tartuffe

Because Trump is President. It would make him look good, we can’t have that.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:05 PM
link   

originally posted by: Grimpachi
I think people still remember "mission accomplished" claims and then the fallout.


The caliphate was on the map at one point and growing. It's not there anymore.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:06 PM
link   

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
it is not destroyed...


"But a ragtag group of brave Freedom fighters"


communists, socialists, anarchists, anti-fascists


Then you should be able to show me on the map where it still exists.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:08 PM
link   

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor
a reply to: Tartuffe

Because Trump is President. It would make him look good, we can’t have that.


That probably is a part of it. But I also think that westerners are largely ignorant of the region.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:09 PM
link   

originally posted by: Taupin Desciple
Because physically transplanting them from point A (Syria) to point B (Wherever) doesnt do any good. You have to kill the ideal. The mindset. You have to make life better in those regions so people dont stoop to the ISIS level because they have no better option.

People are waking up to this reality.


An ideal exists in the brain. A territory is the reality. Though the ideal may still exist, the reality proved itself to be horrific.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:13 PM
link   
a reply to: Xtrozero

no, all those that went to fight ISIS and fit in Rojava also

regardless If i As an anarchists support it or not, those groups of people did, from multiple territories



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:15 PM
link   
a reply to: Tartuffe




No cause for celebration?

What would you suggest by way of celebration?

I'm pleased they lost the territory they stole and raise my hat to the brave fighters who did the work of kicking their ass's back to the stone age but don't see why we should be expected to celebrate.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:15 PM
link   

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Tartuffe



Given their aspirations, ISIS was (and still might be) an existential threat to the entire globe.


Yeah right, I personally think the bodies stacking up in the name of US neocolonialism is indication of a far greater threat, ISIS were never a global threat, media highlighting and government agendas frightened you is all


Of course you do. But I would argue you do not think that because you know more than everyone else. I would argue you think that because you know less.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:17 PM
link   
a reply to: Tartuffe

What's to celebrate?

Isis should've been defeated in weeks.

Assad invited the coalition multiple times so they could stabilise Syrian territory and hold elections... That's all we should have asked at the time given the lack of evidence of his government killing Syrians.

We violated sovereign Syrian territory for years and that's before the Russians even showed up.

We could've pressured Turkey and our supposed allies Iraq to stem the flow of Jihadis YEARS ago too.

All the MSM fed us up until about a year ago was how we probably should invade Syria. A few governments voted on this... Remember that Syria constantly facilitated western or "coalition" intervention.

We facilitated the reasoning that Russia and Iran should get heavily involved too. Whilst we do nothing but bitch about that reality. Well, tough titties.

As far as I can tell nobody has anything to celebrate since the threat is still present, 1000's upon 1000's dead, millions displaced and several nations are either practically in ruins or disgustingly stretched.

Forces for good? Meh



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:17 PM
link   

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

Because Trump is President. It would make him look good, we can’t have that.


Plus we know the Democrats can't remember anything farther back than 2 years so they will not remember that Obama, out of the blue, pulled out of Iraq creating the vacuum for ISIS to take a firm hold, and did they. That hold created true atrocities not seen since medieval times...

Yeah! Obama!



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:18 PM
link   

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Tartuffe




No cause for celebration?

What would you suggest by way of celebration?

I'm pleased they lost the territory they stole and raise my hat to the brave fighters who did the work of kicking their ass's back to the stone age but don't see why we should be expected to celebrate.



I can understand refraining from celebration if one does not care either way. That is at least honest. But for myself, after following the rise and fall of this evil, after coming to know some of their victims, it is my contention that celebration is the very least we could do.



posted on Apr, 16 2019 @ 12:21 PM
link   

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Tartuffe

What's to celebrate?

Isis should've been defeated in weeks.

Assad invited the coalition multiple times so they could stabilise Syrian territory and hold elections... That's all we should have asked at the time given the lack of evidence of his government killing Syrians.

We violated sovereign Syrian territory for years and that's before the Russians even showed up.

We could've pressured Turkey and our supposed allies Iraq to stem the flow of Jihadis YEARS ago too.

All the MSM fed us up until about a year ago was how we probably should invade Syria. A few governments voted on this... Remember that Syria constantly facilitated western or "coalition" intervention.

We facilitated the reasoning that Russia and Iran should get heavily involved too. Whilst we do nothing but bitch about that reality. Well, tough titties.

As far as I can tell nobody has anything to celebrate since the threat is still present, 1000's upon 1000's dead, millions displaced and several nations are either practically in ruins or disgustingly stretched.

Forces for good? Meh


What's to celebrate? The destruction of the Islamic State Caliphate and the liberation of the peoples stuck in it. No amount of hand waving and finger wagging can dismiss that.







 
11
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join