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reply posted on 25-8-2002 @ 08:43 PM by Byrd
In addition to all his articles/books mentioned on UFO boards, I am also finding mention on these same boards that he's a fraud and that his credentials are faked.

www.virtuallystrange.net...

Stanton Freedman, one of the leading UFO investigators for many years also proclaims that Wolf is a fraud and has no credentials.
www.ukufonw.org.uk...

It apparently started quite a brouhaha, but my money's on Freedman.

Let me post MY quibble here: "Dr Wolf said he had an MD in neurology; a Ph.D in theoretical physics; a BS in biogenetics; a JD in international law; and a D.Sc. in computer sciences."

Now, to get an MD in neurology, you have to go through 4 years of college. Then 4 years of med school plus 2 years of residency. THEN you have to have 2-3 years in your specialty and then get board certification. www.medcatalog.harvard.edu...

That makes you at least 30 before you can start practicing. At that point you have a ghastly amount of debt from the cost of all that schooling.

NOW... on top of that, he goes to get a PhD in physics. Alas, most of what you learn in med school doesn't apply to physics. So you then have to go back and level (take makeup courses in certain areas), THEN get your Masters' (3-4 years. I know this, because I did this when I got my Masters'), and THEN get your PhD... depending on how you did this, it's a total of 4-6 years.

Grad school isn't free. It costs a ghastly amount of money. So now the darling boy is 35 years old and well over half a million in debt (no kidding).

Getting a DSc -- no such degree plan and no certification that I can find. If they meant a PhD, add another four years.

And another ghastly wad of money.

But wait -- there's a BS in biogenics. Alas, for Dr. Wolf, no college in the US seems to offer this particular degree. In fact, no university that's anywhere on the Internet offers a degree in this discipline.

And then there's the JD in international law. If we throw out the biogenics and say he went on to get a JD, it will take him about another 6 years. My brother-in-law's a lawyer, and I simply asked him about it.

And by now, he's well beyond half a million in debt, and he's hitting 40.

And he hasn't PRACTICED any of it, just acquired the degrees.

Unless, of course, he bought them from one of those spammers that fill your mailboxes with their junk.

And when did the man get the time to build up credit and so forth to serve on ANY councils before he dropped dead of cancer? And why would any security group hire someone who's beyond half a million dollars in debt???

Here's a clue: They won't. If you have extraordinary debts, you are deemed a security risk and they won't hire you. If hired, your security clearance will be dropped.

This happened to a friend of ours who worked at Raytheon and got into financial trouble after a house fire. His clearance was canceled when they got close to bankruptcy and he was kept under close watch until they quit bouncing checks and got caught up on their bills.

Academically, the guy's a fraud.

I see other problems. Here's a synopsis of his statement of the Roswell crash, taken from that website you pointed to:
"Two craft crashed at Roswell after colliding with each other during an electrical storm. "

Mmmmkay. So these guys are able to travel a bazillion miles across space, show up cloaked with all sorts of sophisticated tech -- AND CAN'T FLY IN A SIMPLE ELECTRICAL STORM WHICH ANY OF OUR MODERN PLANES CAN GET THROUGH JUST FINE???

How about: "His first major assignment was working alongside Carl Sagan and other top scientists - their job to understand the intricacies of a huge ET beacon dubbed The Monolith " He then goes on to say it was brought back to Earth (no explaination of how) in 1971. Either they had ET help (in which case, what's the need to study the Monolith?) or they didn't (I'd surely like to know how they got it back in those TEENY space capsules they were flying at the time. Or how they even got CLOSE to it.

"2001, A Space Odyssey", anyone? Here's another scoop for him: Carl Sagan's movements can be traced. In 1971, he wasn't working for NASA on anything... he was a full professor at Cornell (I got this from several bios of his).

...and so on. Another fraud, looking for fame and money.


reply posted on 26-8-2002 @ 08:47 AM by Byrd
"Farfetched" doesn't begin to describe that explaination, I'm afraid. I used to be in the academic circles, and it's just beyond farfetched.

The government doesn't pay for advanced education. If you're hired by them and working for them, they'll reimburse the cost of your education. HOWEVER... if you're working and going to school, you can double (and triple) the time it takes to get those degrees. Some of them would simply be impossible to get *and* to work at the same time. Doctor of Jurisprudence is one such degree. So is Neurologist. So is MD.

And let's not forget the nonexistant degrees.

Nor do the degrees make any sense. If you were researching/deconstructing a piece of equipment you don't want someone on it who's got specialties in five or six fields... because they don't know any field in depth. You'd want specialists who had a lot of research in a particular field; someone who'd published numerous papers. You'd want the top nuclear scientists, the top engineers, the top astrophysicists, the top linguists, and the top anthropologists.

And you'd want them with lots and lots of field experience.

You'd want Carl Sagan. You'd want neurologist Johnathan Cole. You'd want a cultural anthropologist like Margaret Mead. You'd want a physicist like Stanton T. Friedman. You'd want software engineers and materials engineers and electronics engineers and physiologists and so forth.

That sort of research is hard to keep quiet. There'd be papers... and someone like Sagan would have hinted at it very strongly, going on and on about specific plausible types of aliens.

...which Sagan never did.

There's a lot of other problems that point to Wolf's material as being pure nonsense (and even UFO researchers are claiming this.) But strictly from an academic sense, the story is pretty obviously faked.


reply posted on 26-8-2002 @ 08:50 PM by Byrd
Hunter, all you have to do to get confirmation that the degrees are faked is to show the web page to any PhD in the hard sciences. If I were you, I'd pass that along to the PhDs that you've mentioned who are members of the Grey Society. Pick one of the ones who's had to deal with the medical school to ship the URL to, and point out the term "biogenics."

Every scientist likes a few good laughs to start the morning with. That one should get the biologists sputtering and guffawing.

I know it's faked in the same way that our ex-military members here know when someone's faking a military position or faking a security clearance.

Been there. Did that. Got the tee shirt. My real name actually appeared in MATERIA MEDICA (medical research... HUGE volume listing names, dates, papers published) from 1982 thrugh the early 90's for some papers I wrote in conjunction with my professors.

I don't want to waste everyone's time boring them with the details of how someone who's done research spots faked credentials in research. Yeah, I read Asimov and Sagan and Lewis Thomas and a whole bunch of science popularizers. I know that scientists don't have to be dry and high-toned. And I do know all the signs of a real fake... like this one.

But the PhDs in your group can sit down with you and explain the ins and outs of academia, research, and getting important government positions and funding and how to tell the fakes from the real ones.

...after they quit laughing.


reply posted on 4-4-2003 @ 12:49 AM by BlackBox20
As for the blasting of 41 people, when you're captured in a room surrounded by your captors...and one of them shoots one of your own, you kill whomever you can. We'd do the same in similar circumstances.

As for non-benign motives...come on, you don't honestly believe that such advanced beings couldn't simply destroy all of our space based weapons and toys? If they are coming from damn Orion and Pleadies they have conquered either faster than light speed travel or hyperspace. They could send an armada (if one of their ships has hyperspace, then all of them do, like all of our cars have windshield wiper blades) and sack the power bases of the earth such as washington and any of the secret facilities they already kknow about. Who can fight that? We wouldn't even bother trying to fight back, because you can imagine that if we have cool EMP bombs, then they have strategies and weapons 500 years or 1000 yrs more advanced that can shut down entire cities and that includes missile launches and fighter planes which would all be disabled forever. Then what?

I'm sure they have technology we can't even begin to imagine, and it wouldnt surprise me at all if in their past, they were helped along by even more advanced "aliens"...remember, they saw UFOs in their past as well. But, I similarly don't understand their policy of non-interaction...they say they are concerned about the earth, yet remain on the sidelines and allow it to be destroyed all to save the economy and religious sensibilities? I don't buy that at all...what good is an economy if the people destroy the world? That part doesn't wash with me. That seems too star trek-ish.

An alien only signs a treaty because it wants to, not because it has to. Pulsed radar may have downed a few ships, but they are, generally speaking, interested in friendly relations most likely because they are not conquerors and dont view us as a threat whatsoever. And they have fun here maybe..and why not, I'm sure they can appreciate an uninhabited island with beachfront property like the rest of us.

Obviously they dont have an actual concern for people in general, otherwise they'd have helped with technology more and helped get us away from destructive fuel sources. They'd contact the people at large and actually talk to them without wiping their memories away after strange experiments. Most people would gladly agree to a routine examination by these guys as long as it wasn't all anal probes....
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