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Is Trump a Fascist? If Hitler was a modern day American? How would he vote?

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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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I just want to state, obviously, I do not support Nazi ideology, and this is certainly an anti-Hitler post. I am not criticizing every Democrat or Republican. Of course the holocaust happened, and I am not discounting the suffering there. I am simply looking at the other aspects of Hitler’s short (although not short enough) reign and other lesser known policies outside of what he is remembered for. One of the reasons for this posts is that many have accused President Trump of being like Hitler, or simply a Fascist. But is he? What about other Presidents?

First, economy. Hitler was a Fascist. Specifically a national socialist, hints the name of his party, being the National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nazi for short in German. Now in addition to many socialist programs such as high taxation of income to redistribute wealth as he wanted and to pay for many state run programs, he was specifically a Fascist. But what is a Fascism? It’s a left wing style of economy developed by Giovanni Gentile. Fascism is a form socialism in which government works very closely with, and in most cases fully takes over business, or at the very least imposes strong sanctions or regulations on business. Some of these include minimum wages, emissions standards on what kinds of pollution factories and their products can emit, who they hire or not hire, and which business you either are able to or have to work with (such as having steep fines for not having insurance, or being forced to get specific vaccines or face legal consequences). Does this sound like Trump to you? To the best of my understanding, no it does not. Most of this actually matches another world leader who did the same thing at the same time, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. It was called the New Deal, a transforming of America into a nearly Fascist welfare state. Of course Obama did not stray from the party line either.

Now let’s talk about social programs. There were massive pushes of gun control laws in Nazi Germany, to the point of fully disarming the nation. You know, for their protection. Then of course Hitler outlawed smoking. Smoking is bad, m’kay, but still outlawing it is government power over citizens by a leftwing government. Then he instituted a form of politically correct speech to force the parties ideology into the citizens, cracking down on dangerous speech, and censoring free speech severely in the name of keeping the peace. He also supported strongly late term, at will (quite often), abortion (keep in mind Nazis acted in inhumane ways). Later, the practice would be enforced on minorities which the party found undesirable. That brings up another point. In the early days of the Nazi party, they were very pro-gay as the homosexuals in Germany (who were being oppressed by the pre-nazi government) made up a decent amount of his support. Hitler was quoted saying of one of his homosexual officers, “what do I care what they do in their bedrooms as long as they serve their function outside”. He was also interested in helping Jewish people who were being mistreated in Italy and increasingly in Germany. After problems with the police and some of his followers he turned his back on the gays, and with the instruction of other racist officers he turned his back on the Jews, citing them as a symbol of capitalism (may be true in some cases, but that’s a good thing) . Later history will record how far he went in both cases I’ve shown here. Why do I bring this up? Not to try to redeem him, but to show how this type of person will support any group of people which benefits his goals, and burn them when he is done. In this case, literally. This was easy after disarming the citizens and censoring their speech, and paid for by tax payer dollars.

Now who inspired the Nazi party? Did it just come out of thin air? After identifying the anti-Semitic roots of many Nazi party founders, they met to decide what kind of racist state to set up. They looked to the racist Jim-crow laws which the Democrats passed and how they treatment of African Americans, and previously in predominantly Democrat owned plantations, and democratic president Andrew Jackson’s treatment of Native Americans and concluded that some of our laws (one drop law for example) were too harsh on minorities. Let that sink in, Nazis criticism of America for inhumane treatment of minorities. Wow. Then they actually based some branches of the Nazi party on the Klu Klux Klan which was operated by, you guessed it, democrats.

Thank God that the Nazi party was defeated (by most peoples belief) because Hitler had a grander idea. He was going to possibly drop the racism and create a fourth Reich in which European (and eventually other) governments would remain intact but be subject to a larger authority and under one unified currency. If you read his plans, you’d think he’s talking about the United Nations. Given that the Fourth Reich was to look exactly the way the United Nations, which came about at the same time as the end of the Third Reich and the fact that many Nazis escaped and even worked with the Bush family quite closely, conspiracy theories abound.

America currently has enacted much of this. In fact, I would go as far as to say it’s starting to feel more and more like Nazi Germany. Especially for Christians who are being targeted by progressives more than anyone. What can we do? Trump’s trying to fix this, but his Supreme Court Nominations wills do far more to fix America. And of course you can do your part, vote against those true Fascists and ignore their lies and scare tactics.




posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: Theocracy4America

There is so much factually wrong with your OP it difficult to know where to start.

Nasi party was not left wing. It support came from right wing conservative groups.

They did not disarm the population. They relaxed gun laws for the majority of the population.

They did not ban smoking (not sure where you got that from).

Anti Jewish / minority rhetoric was part of Nazi ideology from the start. Not something that came later.


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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:10 PM
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I know where you are going with this topic, I admit, you have some points here. Still, I really do not like comparisons between a mass-murderers regime and something contemporary. I don’t like it when Trump is compared to Hitler, I don’t like it when Dems are linked to Hitler.

If you would stick to the facisct doctrine and the Nazi beliefs, it would still be a slippery road.

With comparing these historic figures to current people, you diminish the harm they did, when they did it. Like I said sometime before: “If Trump is Hitler, Hitler ain’t so bad”.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually socialism is inherently left wing, and government gaining more power over day to day lives is too. At least by the standard technical definition of right-left wing paradigm. These two things put it toward left left. Nazi ideology is left wing. For a majority of the population, excluding those attacked by the Nazis, Guns were restricted heavily. It was the production by America of the Liberator, a cheep gun, that introduced more guns into Germany. Smoking was actually considered "damage to state property" as you were under his the Reich. And read Hitlers own book in regards to early opinions of Jews, which he wanted to help before taking a sharp Left turn.

I can recommend some good books on the topic if you are interested.
edit on 12-12-2018 by Theocracy4America because: Books



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: Goedhardt

OH no, I was saying that Trump is nothing like Hitler and Hitler is bad. I am not trying to diminish the harm they did, but prevent it happening again by contemporary figures.
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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: Theocracy4America
a reply to: ScepticScot

Actually socialism is inherently left wing, and government gaining more power over day to day lives is too. At least by the standard technical definition of right-left wing paradigm. These two things put it toward left left. Nazi ideology is left wing. For a majority of the population, excluding those attacked by the Nazis, Guns were restricted heavily. It was the production by America of the Liberator, a cheep gun, that introduced more guns into Germany. Smoking was actually considered "damage to state property" as you were under his the Reich. And read Hitlers own book in regards to early opinions of Jews, which he wanted to help before taking a sharp Left turn.


Do you think the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic? The Nazi party was right wing, they were supported by right wing conservatives and were opposed by left wing parties. These are historical facts.

Gun laws where relaxed for the majority of the population. Again historical fact.

Smoking was not illegal (many senior Nazis smoked). You are simply wrong.

You are obviously entitled to your own opinions. You are not however entitled to your own facts.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Theocracy4America

There is so much factually wrong with your OP it difficult to know where to start.

Nasi party was not left wing. It support came from right wing conservative groups.

They did not disarm the population. They relaxed gun laws for the majority of the population.

They did not ban smoking (not sure where you got that from).

Anti Jewish / minority rhetoric was part of Nazi ideology from the start. Not something that came later.


1) That is still debatable today.
2) They disarmed the Jews which were a large portion of the population
3) Yes , they did
Anti-smoking movement

4)In which Hitler served a great part in , from the start

Denying ignorance
It's what I do



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Please consider reading the books:
The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left
Mein Kampf



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Thank you. You get a ⭐



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Theocracy4America

There is so much factually wrong with your OP it difficult to know where to start.

Nasi party was not left wing. It support came from right wing conservative groups.

They did not disarm the population. They relaxed gun laws for the majority of the population.

They did not ban smoking (not sure where you got that from).

Anti Jewish / minority rhetoric was part of Nazi ideology from the start. Not something that came later.


1) That is still debatable today.
2) They disarmed the Jews which were a large portion of the population
3) Yes , they did
Anti-smoking movement

4)In which Hitler served a great part in , from the start

Denying ignorance
It's what I do


1. It isn't really.

2. Less than 1%

3. Where does it say they made smoking illegal?

4. Are we agreeing on this one?



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: Theocracy4America

Mein Kampf is explicitly anti jewish.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: Theocracy4America

Trump is an example I am using. You are actually linking the Dems to Hitler. I don’t like it when anyone links anyone to a historical figure like that, period.

I do agree that Hitler his policies were pretty lefty (in our current right-left spectrum), but also really globalist.
Social security state was initiated by him. The state was director of your life, the opposite of Classic Liberalism, whe the state stays out of your life. Volkswagen company with the famous beetle cars were introduced so any ‘common’ person could have a car.

But he was also an extreme racist. It is popular belief that being racist is ‘rightwing’. This is a false belief.

But again, this is a slippery slope. Cuz some people might now think that the Dems are Nazi-like. But they are not. Just as the Repulicans are not. Again: I don’t like the comparison. It is devisive. Not helpful in any way...
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posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes, but he detailed how he started to help them.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: Theocracy4America
a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes, but he detailed how he started to help them.


At what point did Hitler/the Nazis actually 'help' the Jews?



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

I meant he started in politics intending to help them after a trip to Italy where he seen them being mistreated. He took a left turn and did not help them.
edit on 12-12-2018 by Theocracy4America because: Simplification



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: Theocracy4America
a reply to: ScepticScot

I meant he started in politics intending to help them after a trip to Italy where he seen them being mistreated. He took a left turn and did not help them.


Total unsupportable nonsense.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:54 PM
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a reply to: Theocracy4America

fascism
[fash-iz-uh m]
noun
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
( initial capital letter ) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

There's a lot of people who don't even know the definition of fascist yet call others it. These people are f@ckwits. Trump isn't a Fascist because currently he can't be because the US Government is a Federal Republic. Trump doesn't have complete power. He doesn't forcibly suppress opposition (forcibly suppressing means lining people up and shooting them) He hasn't regimented all industry or commerce etc. He doesn't emphasise aggressive nationalism he emphasis nationalism (meaning he advocates taking care of his own (the us) first then others (the world)) Aggressive means evading other countries. And lastly Trump isn't emphasising aggressive racism but he might be racist. Aggressive means lining people up and shooting them. So again, no, Trump isn't a fascist because he's currently in a system that doesn't allow such a thing BUT if he over threw the government then we can start thinking he's a fascist BUT that is extremely unlikely BECAUSE thats not in the best interest of both parties, meaning the Dems and Repubs. That would only be in the best interest of Trump.



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Theocracy4America
a reply to: ScepticScot

I meant he started in politics intending to help them after a trip to Italy where he seen them being mistreated. He took a left turn and did not help them.


Total unsupportable nonsense.


OK... I've just recommended two books which detail many of the facts I've mentioned. I can recommend more on the subject if you wish. My family comes from a country which was under Hitlers occupation at one point, I'm pretty sure I know what I am talking about, and can see when it's been happening elsewhere. Specifically which facts to you need references and sources for?



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: CliffoCambridge

Thank you



posted on Dec, 12 2018 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: CliffoCambridge
a reply to: Theocracy4America

fascism
[fash-iz-uh m]
noun
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
( initial capital letter ) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

There's a lot of people who don't even know the definition of fascist yet call others it. These people are f@ckwits. Trump isn't a Fascist because currently he can't be because the US Government is a Federal Republic. Trump doesn't have complete power. He doesn't forcibly suppress opposition (forcibly suppressing means lining people up and shooting them) He hasn't regimented all industry or commerce etc. He doesn't emphasise aggressive nationalism he emphasis nationalism (meaning he advocates taking care of his own (the us) first then others (the world)) Aggressive means evading other countries. And lastly Trump isn't emphasising aggressive racism but he might be racist. Aggressive means lining people up and shooting them. So again, no, Trump isn't a fascist because he's currently in a system that doesn't allow such a thing BUT if he over threw the government then we can start thinking he's a fascist BUT that is extremely unlikely BECAUSE thats not in the best interest of both parties, meaning the Dems and Repubs. That would only be in the best interest of Trump.


“Forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism”

“Think how we think or we’ll attack you” the very definition of fascism.

The very mantra of the ‘left’ today. “Forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism”.




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