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originally posted by: tovenar
Trump wants "U.S. Citizen" to actually mean something. When I was a cop were were instructed never to use the term. Using it would elevate some over others, when anyone here enjoys all the rights whether citizen or no. We weren't supposed to say resident either, because that implied that locals were more important than the homeless population. It was "individual."
I'd like to get rid of birthright citizenship altogether. The only automatic citizenship would be for honorably discharged veterans. I'd require a citizenship test and a clear criminal record. I'd restrict the 2nd Amendment to citizens only, same with jury duty and voting.
I'd also go with an English Only law, modeled after Mexico's official language rules. If you're going to live here, you need to speak enough of the language to talk to emergency responders.
Citizenship doesn't mean anything in the eyes of the lawyers. I'd fix that.
see, it could always be worse than Trump
Really π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Cool story, if it pisses you off, Awesome.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Oh, salty are we? I stated what I wanted and also what I WANT which I recieved π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Sure, like everybody else π€ , psst, you're spilling water π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Really? It means nothing to leftist, but suddenly it matter whens conservatives talk about it? Lol, give me a break Nyiah, you hold water for leftist and expect us to drink from it, keep your koolaid to yourself.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Tell that to barry π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Who cares, that's what I what. Patiotism still exist, I'm a nationalist so I'm all for love and respect of MY country.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Arnie123
You do not have to love and respect the country to be a citizen. Give me a break.
Tough cookies, nobody cares about when you want if it's a "by any means" circumvention to achieve it.
I say again -- there exists a process for amending. EOs are not it. THAT should make any "patriot's" blood run more than a little cold to ponder in place of that process.
Oh and I care what I want, because, I GOT WHAT I WANT π
MY POTUS, Repubs in power, you got nothing, keep grasping yo.
Ah, I see. The Constitution then ultimately means nothing to you and your rights at the end of the day, it's just something to control others with, when it suits you. Never mind the legitimate process, let's go balls to the wall and let the amendments be applied and retracted at the whim of any given president's itchy EO finger, actual legitimate process be damned.
Some patriot you are.
Libertarian, actually. You'll have a harder time finding a Libertarian that supports changing the Constitution through single-man EOs than you will a Republican.
Tread carefully. Your authoritarian slant is showing.
My, my. Aren't we sour over getting caught being the farthest thing from Republican today?
Don't throw your ill lifes choices at me because you can't get what you want. Caught? Far from or close enough, who cares? Lol
Let's be clear here.
You do not care if an EO is the origin point of a Constitutional Amendment addition, alteration or retraction. The established process of legally changing the Constitution doesn't mean anything to you, you would rather it be in the hands of ONE person. ONE.
That is not how Democracies, or Republics work. GTFO here.
One final question, because the answer will be telling either way.
Should the Constitution even exist as a document, period?
originally posted by: Arnie123
Really π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Cool story, if it pisses you off, Awesome.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Oh, salty are we? I stated what I wanted and also what I WANT which I recieved π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Sure, like everybody else π€ , psst, you're spilling water π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Really? It means nothing to leftist, but suddenly it matter whens conservatives talk about it? Lol, give me a break Nyiah, you hold water for leftist and expect us to drink from it, keep your koolaid to yourself.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Tell that to barry π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Who cares, that's what I what. Patiotism still exist, I'm a nationalist so I'm all for love and respect of MY country.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Arnie123
You do not have to love and respect the country to be a citizen. Give me a break.
Tough cookies, nobody cares about when you want if it's a "by any means" circumvention to achieve it.
I say again -- there exists a process for amending. EOs are not it. THAT should make any "patriot's" blood run more than a little cold to ponder in place of that process.
Oh and I care what I want, because, I GOT WHAT I WANT π
MY POTUS, Repubs in power, you got nothing, keep grasping yo.
Ah, I see. The Constitution then ultimately means nothing to you and your rights at the end of the day, it's just something to control others with, when it suits you. Never mind the legitimate process, let's go balls to the wall and let the amendments be applied and retracted at the whim of any given president's itchy EO finger, actual legitimate process be damned.
Some patriot you are.
Libertarian, actually. You'll have a harder time finding a Libertarian that supports changing the Constitution through single-man EOs than you will a Republican.
Tread carefully. Your authoritarian slant is showing.
My, my. Aren't we sour over getting caught being the farthest thing from Republican today?
Don't throw your ill lifes choices at me because you can't get what you want. Caught? Far from or close enough, who cares? Lol
Let's be clear here.
You do not care if an EO is the origin point of a Constitutional Amendment addition, alteration or retraction. The established process of legally changing the Constitution doesn't mean anything to you, you would rather it be in the hands of ONE person. ONE.
That is not how Democracies, or Republics work. GTFO here.
One final question, because the answer will be telling either way.
Should the Constitution even exist as a document, period?
Ugh...π
You're no libertertian, you're an emotional wreck. We're done here.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Really π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Cool story, if it pisses you off, Awesome.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Oh, salty are we? I stated what I wanted and also what I WANT which I recieved π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Sure, like everybody else π€ , psst, you're spilling water π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Really? It means nothing to leftist, but suddenly it matter whens conservatives talk about it? Lol, give me a break Nyiah, you hold water for leftist and expect us to drink from it, keep your koolaid to yourself.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Tell that to barry π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Who cares, that's what I what. Patiotism still exist, I'm a nationalist so I'm all for love and respect of MY country.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Arnie123
You do not have to love and respect the country to be a citizen. Give me a break.
Tough cookies, nobody cares about when you want if it's a "by any means" circumvention to achieve it.
I say again -- there exists a process for amending. EOs are not it. THAT should make any "patriot's" blood run more than a little cold to ponder in place of that process.
Oh and I care what I want, because, I GOT WHAT I WANT π
MY POTUS, Repubs in power, you got nothing, keep grasping yo.
Ah, I see. The Constitution then ultimately means nothing to you and your rights at the end of the day, it's just something to control others with, when it suits you. Never mind the legitimate process, let's go balls to the wall and let the amendments be applied and retracted at the whim of any given president's itchy EO finger, actual legitimate process be damned.
Some patriot you are.
Libertarian, actually. You'll have a harder time finding a Libertarian that supports changing the Constitution through single-man EOs than you will a Republican.
Tread carefully. Your authoritarian slant is showing.
My, my. Aren't we sour over getting caught being the farthest thing from Republican today?
Don't throw your ill lifes choices at me because you can't get what you want. Caught? Far from or close enough, who cares? Lol
Let's be clear here.
You do not care if an EO is the origin point of a Constitutional Amendment addition, alteration or retraction. The established process of legally changing the Constitution doesn't mean anything to you, you would rather it be in the hands of ONE person. ONE.
That is not how Democracies, or Republics work. GTFO here.
One final question, because the answer will be telling either way.
Should the Constitution even exist as a document, period?
Ugh...π
You're no libertertian, you're an emotional wreck. We're done here.
It's a simple question, why not answer it instead of beating around the bush?
You've already made it clear the president should be able to change the Constitution to his satisfaction, so answer the question -- should it even exist in the first place? I'll give you a little clarity here -- if an EO can alter the document, an EO can dissolve it.
Be careful what you wish for. Unless that's what you actually want.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: dawnstar
I totally agree we need a better imagination policy.
But I dont believe location should determine citizenship.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123
What if Trump's next move was to get rid of Presidential term limits and decided that the Presidency was a lifetime position. Would you support that?
originally posted by: jjkenobi
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: jtrenthacker
Trump is wrong here.
It states rather simply in the 14th amendment. . .
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
-Wiki
Sorry Donny, but you'll lose this fight.
Maybe its time to explore the legal process to update the Amendment.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Really π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Cool story, if it pisses you off, Awesome.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Oh, salty are we? I stated what I wanted and also what I WANT which I recieved π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Sure, like everybody else π€ , psst, you're spilling water π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Really? It means nothing to leftist, but suddenly it matter whens conservatives talk about it? Lol, give me a break Nyiah, you hold water for leftist and expect us to drink from it, keep your koolaid to yourself.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Tell that to barry π
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Arnie123
Who cares, that's what I what. Patiotism still exist, I'm a nationalist so I'm all for love and respect of MY country.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Arnie123
You do not have to love and respect the country to be a citizen. Give me a break.
Tough cookies, nobody cares about when you want if it's a "by any means" circumvention to achieve it.
I say again -- there exists a process for amending. EOs are not it. THAT should make any "patriot's" blood run more than a little cold to ponder in place of that process.
Oh and I care what I want, because, I GOT WHAT I WANT π
MY POTUS, Repubs in power, you got nothing, keep grasping yo.
Ah, I see. The Constitution then ultimately means nothing to you and your rights at the end of the day, it's just something to control others with, when it suits you. Never mind the legitimate process, let's go balls to the wall and let the amendments be applied and retracted at the whim of any given president's itchy EO finger, actual legitimate process be damned.
Some patriot you are.
Libertarian, actually. You'll have a harder time finding a Libertarian that supports changing the Constitution through single-man EOs than you will a Republican.
Tread carefully. Your authoritarian slant is showing.
My, my. Aren't we sour over getting caught being the farthest thing from Republican today?
Don't throw your ill lifes choices at me because you can't get what you want. Caught? Far from or close enough, who cares? Lol
Let's be clear here.
You do not care if an EO is the origin point of a Constitutional Amendment addition, alteration or retraction. The established process of legally changing the Constitution doesn't mean anything to you, you would rather it be in the hands of ONE person. ONE.
That is not how Democracies, or Republics work. GTFO here.
One final question, because the answer will be telling either way.
Should the Constitution even exist as a document, period?
Ugh...π
You're no libertertian, you're an emotional wreck. We're done here.
It's a simple question, why not answer it instead of beating around the bush?
You've already made it clear the president should be able to change the Constitution to his satisfaction, so answer the question -- should it even exist in the first place? I'll give you a little clarity here -- if an EO can alter the document, an EO can dissolve it.
Be careful what you wish for. Unless that's what you actually want.
It's good to find out who actually loves America and the constitution and who is just the opposite of the thing they hate, rather than someone who understands the constitution and the philosophy it lays out.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Arnie123
What if Trump's next move was to get rid of Presidential term limits and decided that the Presidency was a lifetime position. Would you support that?
originally posted by: Vector99
originally posted by: jjkenobi
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: jtrenthacker
Trump is wrong here.
It states rather simply in the 14th amendment. . .
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
-Wiki
Sorry Donny, but you'll lose this fight.
Maybe its time to explore the legal process to update the Amendment.
As much as I'd like to see this amendment done away with, the only way is via constitutional convention, and no way in hell I would support letting the children in Congress get their hands on it.
Unfortunately we are doomed to remain the only modern civilized nation with birthrite citizenship.