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originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
What common sense gun laws would have stopped this kid?
He wanted to commit evil, no laws would have stopped him.
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Wouldn't he have been automatically given an attorney before being interrogated in such a high profile case?
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Uh, no.
No one is automatically given an attorney, no matter how low or high-profile the case is. Where is the WORLD did you get the idea that an attorney is EVER automatically provided?
Cops are allowed to LIE to suspects while they question them. You think if they can do that, that there is also some rule that gives them an attorney automatically, in a high profile case?
Do they need to lie to him in order to charge and convict him in this particular case? No.
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Wouldn't he have been automatically given an attorney before being interrogated in such a high profile case?
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Uh, no.
No one is automatically given an attorney, no matter how low or high-profile the case is. Where is the WORLD did you get the idea that an attorney is EVER automatically provided?
Cops are allowed to LIE to suspects while they question them. You think if they can do that, that there is also some rule that gives them an attorney automatically, in a high profile case?
Do they need to lie to him in order to charge and convict him in this particular case? No.
*Sigh*
I was using that as an example of why it's a bit absurd to think an attorney would be automatically provided just because this is a high profile case. I was not suggesting they needed to use that tactic here.
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: ChristianParr
a reply to: 727Sky
We do not live in a society that simply puts down the sick, the key really should be making sure it doesn't happen in the first place.
b) if you know someone is ill or not taking their meds report it! As a society we all have a part to play in keeping everyone safe.
Society should prevent this, huh? In this case, society TRIED. How many times were the authorities contacted about this guy? Surely you know that people reported this guy to the FBI MULTIPLE times. He had also been expelled from school, and I believe he had been checked up on by county child and family services in the months leading to to his killing spree.
What ekse could society have done with this one? Scare up an armed posse and capture the guy against his will? And then take him to the police or FBI who already knew about him and did nothing?
I don't know what the answer is but I'm pretty sure its not passing the buck to "society."
originally posted by: ChristianParr
Understand that 'society' also includes the school.. FBI... mental health services.. Clearly there were alarm bells already and the 'good guys' did NOTHING So that's my point. The end result was people died because of someones mental health when it could of been stopped should those in power chosen too.....
originally posted by: ChristianParr
a reply to: BrianFlanders
I am the king of weird! That being said when someone has access to firearms, makes threats to others, mentions they hear voices that is enough to get you into a mental hospital.
originally posted by: ChristianParr
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: ChristianParr
a reply to: 727Sky
We do not live in a society that simply puts down the sick, the key really should be making sure it doesn't happen in the first place.
b) if you know someone is ill or not taking their meds report it! As a society we all have a part to play in keeping everyone safe.
Society should prevent this, huh? In this case, society TRIED. How many times were the authorities contacted about this guy? Surely you know that people reported this guy to the FBI MULTIPLE times. He had also been expelled from school, and I believe he had been checked up on by county child and family services in the months leading to to his killing spree.
What ekse could society have done with this one? Scare up an armed posse and capture the guy against his will? And then take him to the police or FBI who already knew about him and did nothing?
I don't know what the answer is but I'm pretty sure its not passing the buck to "society."
Understand that 'society' also includes the school.. FBI... mental health services.. Clearly there were alarm bells already and the 'good guys' did NOTHING So that's my point. The end result was people died because of someones mental health when it could of been stopped should those in power chosen too.....
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
originally posted by: ChristianParr
Understand that 'society' also includes the school.. FBI... mental health services.. Clearly there were alarm bells already and the 'good guys' did NOTHING So that's my point. The end result was people died because of someones mental health when it could of been stopped should those in power chosen too.....
Where is the line where we should say "You're not allowed to be weird"?
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
originally posted by: ChristianParr
a reply to: BrianFlanders
I am the king of weird! That being said when someone has access to firearms, makes threats to others, mentions they hear voices that is enough to get you into a mental hospital.
Sure. And what happens when someone who just seems a little off does the same thing and the criteria for what is "enough to get someone in a mental hospital" has to be changed again and again to satisfy the public demand for complete and total safety?
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: ChristianParr
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: ChristianParr
a reply to: 727Sky
We do not live in a society that simply puts down the sick, the key really should be making sure it doesn't happen in the first place.
b) if you know someone is ill or not taking their meds report it! As a society we all have a part to play in keeping everyone safe.
Society should prevent this, huh? In this case, society TRIED. How many times were the authorities contacted about this guy? Surely you know that people reported this guy to the FBI MULTIPLE times. He had also been expelled from school, and I believe he had been checked up on by county child and family services in the months leading to to his killing spree.
What ekse could society have done with this one? Scare up an armed posse and capture the guy against his will? And then take him to the police or FBI who already knew about him and did nothing?
I don't know what the answer is but I'm pretty sure its not passing the buck to "society."
Understand that 'society' also includes the school.. FBI... mental health services.. Clearly there were alarm bells already and the 'good guys' did NOTHING So that's my point. The end result was people died because of someones mental health when it could of been stopped should those in power chosen too.....
Right, so be specific, because it seems like you are saying the regular people of society could or should have prevented this. When in this case, the regular people of society are the only ones who took any action to try to stop this guy from murder. And they stayed within the bounds of the law. That's why I mentioned the armed posse; we aren't allowed to do that. Had people done that, THEY would have gotten in trouble with the law. So again I'm gonna object to your characterization of "society should prevent this."
The authorities: law enforcement,law makers, school administrators, etc. THEY should have prevented this. They had multiple oppetunities.