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EU "Referendum" in Spain, "elections" in Portugal - advanced mind control techniques

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posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 07:01 PM
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LISBON (Reuters) - Portugal's opposition Socialists scored their biggest-ever electoral victory as voters ousted centre-right Prime Minister Pedro Santana Lopes.
President Jorge Sampaio dissolved parliament early in December, citing lack of confidence in the center-right coalition government after a bout of instability.


Spanish voters first to back EU charter
International Herald Tribune -
MADRID Spain became the first nation to approve the European constitution in a referendum but the emphatic endorsement suggested by the overwhelming margin of victory was diluted by indications of a moderate voter turnout.
Spanish voters endorsed the European Union constitution in a referendum but turnout was only 42%. A total of 76.5% of voters backed the constitution, while 17.4% voted against it, the Interior Ministry said after 97% of the votes were counted.

In the illuminati agenda for February 21, 2005


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posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 08:00 PM
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Ummm... I find the election stories to be typical of voter apathy and of swings right to left to right to left... where are the advanced mind control techniques referred to in your topic title?



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 08:08 PM
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Legalising pedophilia
The illuminati assigned to Zapatero (premier of Spain) the role of champion of legalising homosexual "adoption" of children.
The illuminati assigned to Socrates (the new premier of Portugal) the role of champion of legalising pedophilia.

Zapatero was elected on the promise of ending the participation of the spanish mercenaries in the occupation of Iraq.
Socrates was elected on the promise of ending the participation of the portuguese mercenaries in the occupation of Iraq.

Now as far as the EU constitution, do I need to explain it?



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 08:28 PM
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Yes, please continue... the hit rate on your topic indicates that the walls have ears!




posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 08:34 PM
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LOL !

advanced mind control techniques.....LOL

Look man, I´m Portuguese and I can tell you for shure...people here are a bit diferent from americans wen they go to vote...for exemple:

wille you americans are allways completely devided by moral issues and religious stuff, here in Portugal the newly elected prime minister is not married or a religious pearson...

Of course I´m not saying it´s better tath way, I´m just saying that here tath doesn´t matter, because those are private issues.

about mind control techniques...

if the CNN and FOX we watch here is the same you watch there in USA, let me tell you, you should be careful because there are a lot of things they dont show you...try BBC is much better than CNN or FOX.


About the referendum in Spain...

Every four or five years (I don´t even know!!) we have european elections and in all Europe the turnout numbers are allways almoast the same...people dont really care about european elections or referendum.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by MattMarriott

Socrates was elected on the promise of ending the participation of the portuguese mercenaries in the occupation of Iraq.

Actualy he didn´t made that promisse!


Now as far as the EU constitution, do I need to explain it?


It would be great couse I guess You don´t know it...






posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by MattMarriott

The illuminati assigned to Socrates (the new premier of Portugal) the role of champion of legalising pedophilia.





What??



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by MattMarriott
Spanish voters endorsed the European Union constitution in a referendum but turnout was only 42%. A total of 76.5% of voters backed the constitution, while 17.4% voted against it, the Interior Ministry said after 97% of the votes were counted.


The reason Spain voted yes was because the EU gives them £3 billion each year....hell I'd vote for the EU if they gave me £3 billion each year



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 08:21 AM
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The reason Spain voted yes is all about Spain's recent history.

They've only fairly recently come out of the disaster of their isolated fascist dictatorship.

To say this is about Spain's level of subsidy is as blinkered as it is just wrong.

.....and the 'mind control' comment is as empty and daft as the (non) attempt to back it up.

The whole point about this kind of subsidy is to elevate recipient countries to the point where they can be 'net contributors'. As is happening now with Ireland. The countries providing the aid benefit by being able to sell and invest into developing markets and the recipient country benefits by gaining a rising standard of living.
We all benefit by the greater stability this generates.
Like an on-going 'Marshall Plan'.

We all win when it works and we can then spread the benefits further and address the next needy countries......like Poland, Hungry etc etc.

You should try and see beyond the narrow, Wizard.



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posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
.....and the 'mind control' comment is as empty and daft as the (non) attempt to back it up.


You never know




Like an on-going 'Marshall Plan'.


Fair enough, even I can see the benefits.


You should try and see beyond the narrow, Wizard.


But you know us Euroskeptics...



posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by UK Wizard
You never know


- I suppose you can't say definitely and without any question.
Then again we could all be performers in the simulation of the universe devised by some super intelligence etc etc

.....and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.


But you know us Euroskeptics...


- I know, I know.
It's also worth considering that whilst £3billion is a lot of money to you and I to a western European gov it is buttons.
To the UK that would be a fraction of well under 1% of the national gov budget (total gov expenditure £487.5billion approx).

www.hm-treasury.gov.uk..../media/D27/4A/pesa04_complete_190404.pdf#page=10

Whilst that kind of income will always be welcome to any W.E. gov I don't see any of them feeling massively or unduely influenced by such piffling sums really; do you?



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